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Shadow
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The hand writing has been on the wall for a few years now but the Republican leadership refused to listen to we the people so let the chips fall where they may. Maybe the party deserves to lose until they change their ways and gets back to what the party is supposed to stand for.
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What doesn't kill you will only make you stronger.
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The hand writing has been on the wall for a few years now but the Republican leadership refused to listen to we the people so let the chips fall where they may. Maybe the party deserves to lose until they change their ways and gets back to what the party is supposed to stand for.
Exactly! this should happen to ALL of the parties for all, so everyone can vote for whatever party's ideology they align themselves with.

Hopefully a new and better, more viable rep party will emerge giving us blanks more viable candidates. And hopefully the other parties will catch on.



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Nearly every Republican politician expresses loathing for taxes (most Democrats, too), but very few actually talk specifically about how to bring them down.  Joe Suhrada when the Rs were in charge of the County was Chair of the Finance committee.  Did he cut taxes then?  And what is his plan to do it now?  Mertz says no new taces... but what has he done to lower them in the past four years in office.  And as for Joe Signore...oh my...he's been there for years as Supervisor and board member, what has he done to control taxes?

And the best is this:  With the Rs at each other's throat unable to agree or manage their own party, how can anyone have confidence in their ability, in these troubled times, to provide leadership on anything...particularly on taxes...
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...bad facts again Pilgrim. Go do more homework.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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The hand writing has been on the wall for a few years now but the Republican leadership refused to listen to we the people so let the chips fall where they may. Maybe the party deserves to lose until they change their ways and gets back to what the party is supposed to stand for.


That's all they've been doing losing- running banks and fill ins while pulling up a white flag. We keep hearing forget the County we have the town. Well? More will be coming out.

    The NO NEW TAX PARTY is just what the oppressed sheeple in this County need.
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Rotterdam 2008 Tax Levy = 9,463,727 [Republican Majority Control]
Glenville 2008 Tax Levy = 4,996,099 [Democratic Majority]
Niskayuna 2008 Tax Levy = 5,768,733 [Democratic Majority]

Hhm?  Tax and spend who?


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Didn't our tax levy go up last year due to the reval.
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the.pope
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how about guilderland
look at parcels and parcel type

we have about 12000 residential and 500 business

why dont we pay taxes by person 10,000,000 /29,000 = $350/person done

everyone would want to live here.
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how about guilderland
look at parcels and parcel type

we have about 12000 residential and 500 business

why dont we pay taxes by person 10,000,000 /29,000 = $350/person done

everyone would want to live here.


What do you do, have a town wide census annually?  A family of 5 renting a two family for $800 per monty pays $1750 in town tax?  YIKES!!!!!  That doesn't even include the County and School taxes.  That would be $5250 if School and County taxes were levied the same way.  

You would have a lot of single people moving to Rotterdam and building huge houses and not starting families because it cost too much.  Build a $500K house and pay $1000 a year in property tax.


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The pope has no clue. The pope must be a lib dem who just baffles the crowd with bs!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
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Bumble:  I don't agree with the The Pope.  I guess that makes me a tax protestant (forgive me this sin).   But the starry eyes are yours...if you think the No New Tax Party is going to prevail.  These guys are not saying anything new or credible.  Recall George H.W. Bush in 1988--"no new taxes" pledge.  And locally the Rs all have hurled at taxes and then not lowered them -- despite the fact our town has the highest tax levy of any town in the county.  On the tax issue all of the R politicians are talking the same talk.   And nobody is going to believe it...  We've all been burned by R false promises and R false prophets of lower taxes.  The credibility gap is cavernous for these guys.
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On a Federal level I for one sure feel that I was lied to about 1 no taxes on 95% of taxpayers, more transparency in government, no lobbyists influencing laws, bills will be on line for 5 days b4 a vote, and on and on and on. Don't try to sell us on the Dems they are no different than the Reps, and as far as the tax levy to the county goes blame the increase on the reval and when that was set in motion it was a Dem administration under JP.
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On a Federal level I for one sure feel that I was lied to about 1 no taxes on 95% of taxpayers, more transparency in government, no lobbyists influencing laws, bills will be on line for 5 days b4 a vote, and on and on and on. Don't try to sell us on the Dems they are no different than the Reps, and as far as the tax levy to the county goes blame the increase on the reval and when that was set in motion it was a Dem administration under JP.

Very very well said shadow!

And Pilgram, are you saying that you don't know that there are FOUR months before election day? So relax...there's more than enough time to hear their message. Are you saying that you are so satisfied with the reps, dems and con parties that you don't welcome a new choice? The 20,000 blanks are elated, being one myself.
Win or lose....it'll be one hell of an election year.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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RotterdamPilgrim
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Everybody knows the tax levy is the amount of money a goverment decides to take in taxes -- as in "we need 9 million this year in property taxes to run the government".     And the levy is the problem.

In the ugly taxing process, the levy comes first (amount to be raised), then the tax rate to raise the levy is determined (by applying the levy to the tax roll), and then the individual bills are sent.  The reval -- fair or grossly unfair -- only impacts the distribution of the pain, it does not impact the overall amount taken/levied and subsequently spent by the government.

Rotterdam pols cannot hide their big levy behind the reval.

Take a hypothetical four person town with reval assessment changes.

                             PreReval        Post Reval
Matthew                  10,000           100,000
Mark                      20,000            200,000
Luke                       30,000          300,000
John                      40,000           400,000
Total                      100,000         1,000,000

Everybody's assessments went up 1000%.  Will this raise anybody's taxes?  Answer -- no.

To raise this town's levy of $10,000 the tax rate "pre reval" would be $100 per thousand.  The tax rate post reval would be $10 per assessed thousand.  The levy -- unchanged.  Tax bills -- the same.

As you can see, a revaluation does not chage the levy, jut the tax rate.

So why did the Rotterdam reval cause so many people's taxes to go up?  Because unlike my example where everybody's assessment increased the same percentage, the Rotterdam reval resulted in some assessments raising by much higher percentages than others, supposedly erasing long standing inequities.  If, in my example above, John's assessment changed to $450,000 and Luke's went down to $250,000, the reval would have resulted in a big tax hike for John and a big cut for Luke.  But yet again, the levy or amount raised in property taxes is not impacted by the reassessment.

For most people most of the time the reason taxes go up is because levies go up.  





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