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When a man is murdered, there is one victim.  The person who is killed.
In a hate crime where a man is murdered, there is one victim AND a group of people who are also
a victim of this crime... they are victims of the intimidation caused by this murder.

If you don't understand that... as posted above... I doubt you ever will.


If one victim of a hate crime represents the entire race of the victim, then the race of the murderer represents that entire race.  

So there are 3 victims...The murdered, the race of the murdered, and the race of the murderer.


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If one victim of a hate crime represents the entire race of the victim, then the race of the murderer represents that entire race.  

So there are 3 victims...The murdered, the race of the murdered, and the race of the murderer.


Convoluted logic.  I thought Cissy was smarter than that.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Convoluted logic.  I thought Cissy was smarter than that.  


How does the state prove the hate crime caused damages to a whole classification of people?  Does the whole group share in civil penalties that result in some type of compensation?  Or only the one victim?  Oh yeah, the state doesn't have to prove the damages caused to the entire group, they just have to prove a bias motivation.


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Convoluted logic.  I thought Cissy was smarter than that.  


it is not convoluted....if a person gets parents guns and goes to school to kill teachers because he/she hates teachers
who is affected?

the teachers killed
the teachers because he/she 'hates' them
the parents because they are the parents who had the guns

???????

the person "hates" the parents because he/she did not follow the rules not to use the guns for such an act

it's NOT convoluted...adding the term 'hate' into the fact of murder is convoluted.....

as if the law is wisdom and knows all about you as a human.......

'hate' crimes are a slippery slope to person freedom of thought/word...shame on you Box..shame shame shame....

The KKK is an ORGANIZATION
The police are an ORGANIZATION
Any religion is an ORGANIZATION ETC ETC ETC....

making assumptions of 'hate' based on association is just WRONG and CONVOLUTED...just like using terms like
terrorists....

"oh my, new terms, so freaking progressive. We now have the birth of 'hate criminals' and 'terrorists' "....

as if they never existed and as if we now know what to do about society as a whole and how to control the human
mind/soul......

it's a dirty shame that psychiatry has become accepted voodoo science used in courts of law....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Are School Homicides 'Becoming the Norm'?
Jesse Walker|Jun. 11, 2014 8:04 am




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This is a still from Gus Van Sant's ELEPHANT. I thought about using a still from Rene Daalder's MASSACRE AT CENTRAL HIGH, which is a much better movie, but this image seemed to be a better fit. And that's it for this episode of 'Behind the Scenes at Hit & Run.'HBO FilmsIn the aftermath of yesterday's shooting at an Oregon high school, the president worried that such slayings are "becoming the norm." I've written skeptically in the past about whether the number of mass shootings in America is actually increasing, as the word becoming implies—see my posts here, here, and here—but there's always a haze of uncertainty around those numbers, thanks to the varying definitions of "mass shooting" that different people use.

But maybe that isn't the best thing to be measuring in the first place. The Oregon incident isn't a "mass" shooting at all—the gunman killed two people, and one of those was himself—but it obviously speaks to the same sorts of fear and grief. If your son was just shot, after all, it's hardly a comfort that his classmates survived. A map darting around the Internet this week claims to show all the school shootings since Sandy Hook. Note the modifier: school, not mass.

So how frequently are people killed at school? The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) keeps a running count of such homicides, with "at school" defined to include deaths not just on school property but "while the victim was on the way to or from regular sessions at school or while the victim was attending or traveling to or from an official school-sponsored event." You might quibble about whether those off-campus killings belong in this category, but still, it's a straightforward definition that doesn't get bogged down in how many people die in one attack or, for that matter, what weapon was used to murder them.

As it happens, the bureau published a new report on school violence this month. Here is the relevant chart:

Bureau of Justice StatisticsBureau of Justice Statistics

With the caveat that with numbers this low it's easy to be misled by random noise, I'll point out that the figure has fallen. Note also that these are raw totals, not deaths per population. A chart of school homicide rates would show an even steeper decline.*

But has that decline come to an end? As you can see, the bureau's figures only go through the 2010–11 school year, thus excluding the Sandy Hook massacre and everything since. Twenty children and six adults were murdered at Sandy Hook, making the event bloody enough to cause a spike in 2012–13 all by itself. We don't have enough data to say for certain whether that year was an outlier like 2006–07 or the start of a new trend, but the authors do offer some tentative numbers for the period since the massacre. According to "preliminary counts from media reports," they write, the U.S. saw "17 school-associated violent deaths between December 15, 2012, and November 14, 2013"—11 homicides and six suicides, with six of the dead being of student age.

Those numbers might sound surprisingly low if you've seen the aforementioned map of school shootings since Sandy Hook, which draws on data from the gun-control group Everytown. In part that's because its count stops this month instead of last November, but it's also because it includes colleges. (Of the 74 incidents listed by Everytown, 35 occured on or near a college campus.**) The map also includes nonfatal shootings, including accidental discharges and at least four events in which no one was injured at all. And some of its items qualify as "school shootings" only under a rather broad understanding of the phrase. While this killing, for example, did take place in an elementary school parking lot, it happened at night, long after the students and teachers had gone home. The victim was 19.

This much is clear: If you're wondering where kids are likely to die, the answer plainly isn't a classroom. (Quoting the BJS report one more time: "During the 2010–11 school year, 11 of the 1,336 homicides among school-age youth ages 5–18 occurred at school.") And in the period for which we have clear data, the school homicide rate moved in the same direction as the overall homicide rate: downward. To bring it still lower, the first question to ask is what happened to get us that far.

(* The researchers are still interviewing officials about some of these incidents, so there's a chance that some will be reclassified in future reports.)

(** The BJS report includes a separate discussion of college-level crime. "Fifteen murders occurred on college campuses in 2011, the same number as in 2010," it notes. The authors don't go into detail about homicides in earlier years, but they do say the "number of on-campus crimes reported in 2011 was lower than in 2001 for every category, except for forcible sex offenses.")

Books Editor Jesse Walker is the


http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/11/are-school-homicides-becoming-the-norm

like I said...maybe it's more about the voodoo psychiatry used in the public schools along with the 'turn the human into a cog'
mentality...LONG before it's about guns....the use of guns is the result of our poor poor poor 'use of the human resource'...or
shall I say abuse of the human resource...because in the end that IS what we have set as goals for society....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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How some on this board see it:


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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It is getting harder to tell the right-wing nut jobs who shoot law enforcement
officers from the right-wing politicians running for president. America has always had its
share of John Birchers hoarding guns for a coming revolution. What’s new is that the GOP
has mainstreamed radicalism and turned violently anti-government rhetoric into Republican
Party doctrine.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The government should never fear the people, the people should always fear the government.  That's what we will be celebrating this 4th of July - subservience to the ruling government.

I will be waving my government flag to display my servitude to the United States.


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It is getting harder to tell the right-wing nut jobs who shoot law enforcement
officers from the right-wing politicians running for president.


You are able to clearly identify the politicians that support and justify the law enforcement officers that kick down homeowners doors and shoot citizens and disfigure babies with flash bang grenades.  There is no lack of those politicians.


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Above... Henry's view of a Patriot.

Below... America's view of Henry's TeaBaggers:



There is nothing about Henry's TeaBaggers that resemble his Patriots.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Ohio Group Toting AR-15s Through Neighborhood Indicted On Menacing Charges



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EAST PRICE HILL, Ohio (WKRC) -- Four people seen toting high-powered
weapons through East Price Hill [Cinncinnati] were indicted on menacing charges.
Video of the young people showed them flaunting the fact they had AR 15's slung
over their shoulders. The group walked through a neighborhood and posted the
video on YouTube. The video was full of racial slurs


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There is nothing about Henry's TeaBaggers that resemble his Patriots.


I would of guessed by now box would know I don't support the hijacked Tea Party, well maybe he does know that but he doesn't know what else to post


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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