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Though statistics prove time and again that disarming a free people leads to more violent crime and the potential for mass government democide, it hasn’t stopped President Barrack Obama and his Congressional entourage from doing everything in their power to make it more difficult for Americans to legally own firearms.

Citing the Sandy Hook mass shooting last year, democrats on the hill have claimed that we must restrict gun ownership and strip the Second Amendment for the safety of our children and the general public.

But a new report commissioned by the White House titled Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-related Violence suggests what many self defense gun proponents have been saying for years. The report, ordered under one of President Obama’s 23 Executive Orders signed in the wake of the Sandy Hook incident, asked the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the National Research Council and other federal agencies to identify the “most pressing problems in firearms violence.”

To the surprise of the authors and those who would no doubt have used the report to further restrict access to personal defense firearms, the study found that gun ownership actually saves lives and those who have a firearm at their disposal improve their chances of survival and reduce their chance of injury in the event they are confronted by a violent criminal:


Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…



The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

A different issue is whether defensive use of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self protective strategies.

Full Study available at the National Academy of Sciences


OK Henry.  You've posted some pretty shady scams before but, really, are you really trying
to put this one over on us???
REALLY???

Try it on some 3rd graders (or some 3rd grade level GunHuggers) but a SCAM like this is almost
impossible to believe.

SCAM:
Henry's source?
MINUTEMEN NEWS.COM
(Yea!  Henry is sourcing as if it were 'actual news' a TEABAGGER MILITIA SITE)
"Your News Media Militia, Fighting for Liberty"  

Henry's TEABAGGER story?   "New White House Study Finds… Guns Save Lives!"

If you read Henry's piece above, it will source a very respectable origin...
Henry quotes:  
Full Study available at the National Academy of Science
Imagine... the "National Academy of Science"...
I clicked on the summary of the NAS piece that is cited and found:
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In 2010, more than 105,000 people were injured or killed in the United States as
the result of a firearm-related incident. Recent, highly publicized, tragic mass shootings
in Newtown, CT; Aurora, CO; Oak Creek, WI; and Tucson, AZ, have sharpened the
American public's interest in protecting our children and communities from the harmful
effects of firearm violence. While many Americans legally use firearms for a variety of
activities, fatal and nonfatal firearm violence poses a serious threat to public safety and
welfare.

In January 2013, President Barack Obama issued 23 executive orders directing federal
agencies to improve knowledge of the causes

I continued along with Henry's SCAM to find a link at the bottom of the page:
"Read More:  http://joeforamerica.com" it said... so who is this JOE FOR AMERICA???
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BELIEVE THIS ONE... NO REALLY!  GUESS WHO THIS "JOE" IS???
It turns out that Joe is none other than the infamous:

It's Joe The F'n Plumber!!!  
(of course we all know that Joe is not, and never was a plumber, but who cares if he lies)

Henry is now sourcing "Joe 'ALMOST A PLUMBER'" for his FACTS.

Henry...
You can fool all of the people some of the time...
and you can fool some of the people all of the time...
but this lame excuse for FACTS and SOURCES is a joke, and fooled no one.





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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio joined the gun control advocacy group co-founded by his predecessor
Michael Bloomberg, Mayors Against Illegal Guns announced Thursday.

“As a New Yorker it is particularly meaningful to me that Mayor de Blasio is joining our effort to curb gun
violence," Bloomberg said in a press release. "As Mayor he understands that common sense gun laws are
vital to that success – but gun violence is a national problem that must be addressed by our leaders in
Washington. Mayor de Blasio and the other new mayors who join our coalition strengthen our efforts to
end the bloodshed. I look forward to working with him to change our nation's laws so we can get illegal
guns off our streets."


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Just Your Typical GunHugger...
... you know, a FEMA hating,  white supremacist, methamphetamine using, drug dealin' felon!  


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A white supremacist methamphetamine user with a criminal record was found guilty this
week after amassing a cache of assault rifles following last year’s massacre at Sandy Hook
Elementary School in Connecticut.

Seattlepi.com reported on Thursday that prosecutors are asking that John Christian Parks spending
at least a decade in prison after they succeed against him in a jury trial.

Parks had been caught with several other men by U.S. Forest Service police in Washington’s Mount
Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest while he was shooting assault rifles at explosive targets and smoking
meth last March. Officers seized four assault rifles at the time.

In 2004, Parks had been convicted of drug charges, but not before he temporarily escaped from
the King County Jail. As a convicted felon, he was not allowed to possess any type of firearm.

But days after officers seized the weapons in March, Parks contacted Forest Service police
demanding that they return “our guns.” He later sent an email from federal detention telling
a white supremacist minister that the seizure had been an “illegal gun grab.”

Parks insistence got the attention of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives,
which launched an investigation and searched his home in Belfair. Evidence gathered at the
home showed how Parks had purchased at least three of the AR-15 assault rifles over the
Internet. They also found body armor, a revolver and manuals for the assault rifles.



http://www.seattlepi.com/local.....40.php#photo-5787870


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Henry...
You can fool all of the people some of the time...
and you can fool some of the people all of the time...
but this lame excuse for FACTS and SOURCES is a joke, and fooled no one.





1st you got the source wrong, 2nd you didn't deny anything that was posted except spin it to Joe the Plumber which had zero to do with the story, a classic liberal tactic only other libtards fall for.

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A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."[7]

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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1st you got the source wrong, 2nd you didn't deny anything that was posted except spin it to Joe the Plumber which had zero to do with the story, a classic liberal tactic only other libtards fall for.
Quoted Text
A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]

* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."[7]

* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year. [8] Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."

Yes I read it the first time... but you still haven't given me the source of this text?
So please post the source of your text so that I may read it in it's entirety...
(How embarrasing... posting from Joe the "almost" a Plumber!!!)  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Yes I read it the first time... but you still haven't given me the source of this text?



https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf


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Thanks for the link.

Kinda out of date isn't it???
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Discussed in this Brief: Results of a nationally representative telephone
survey (1994) on private ownership and use of firearms by American adults.


A 20 year old report???  

OK.  We'll read what was going on back in 1994:
Quoted Text
We found that 20 percent of all gun owning households had an unlocked,
loaded gun in the home at the time of the survey.
Among handgun-owning households than among households
that number was 30%.

No wonder so many kids are getting killed with guns... Guns readily available and loaded!

F'n GunHuggers are just asking for it.  

Wow Henry!
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Gun Safety is just as bad now as it was back in the early 90's!  Check this out from your link:
Gun storage.
Of 1,356 accidental deaths by gunshot in 1994, 185 involved children 14 years old and younger
For each such fatality, there are several accidental shootings that cause serious injury.
Guns were also the means of destruction in 19,590 suicides,[/b] 210 involving children 14 or
younger.
For these reasons, safe handling and storage of firearms have attractedthe attention of
the public health community.

20 year old data but the NRA still fights laws to prevent these kinds of needless deaths!  GunHuggers
should be ashamed!

Of note is the [b]* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense

Much of the data in YOUR TEXT calls into question the accuracy of these numbers.
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False positives. Regardless of which
estimates one believes, only a small fraction
of adults have used guns defensively
in 1994. The only question is whether
that fraction is 1 in 1,800 (as one would
conclude from the NCVS) or 1 in 100
(as indicated by the NSPOF estimate
based on Kleck and Gertz's criteria).

In fact they devote pages 8, 9.10 & 11 trying to find any accurate information from the two
studies which differ by a huge margin: 1 in 100 or 1 in 1800.

In conclusion, much of what you posted originally isn't FACT from this report, the report spends much
of the time finding fault with the very statistics that you post.
See below:
In line with the theory that many DGU reports are exaggerated
or falsified, we note that in some of these reports, the respondents'
answers to the followup items are not consistent with respondents'
reported DGUs.


Sorry Henry... the FACTS simply are not in your posted link.  
(No Surprise There)  

BTW, thanks for the link.  Very interesting to see just how far we haven't progressed in the
last 20 years.


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34 year old Californian named Brent Thomas Posada, who got shot in the abdomen
and was taken to the hospital, told police that he was just standing on the sidewalk minding
his own business when a black man approached him and held a gun to his head. He says he
shoved the gun away and it went off in his abdomen.

He had described the black male suspect as 6 feet tall, 185 pounds, and in his late 20s. Posada
said that the man had been “wearing a black hoodie-style sweatshirt, blue jeans and black,
high-top shoes with silver stripes,” the The Record Search Light reported.

Well, the police looked around and there was no blood on the sidewalk and things didn’t seem
quite right about this whole story.

That was when Posada finally admitted that he had “intentionally” shot himself in the stomach
with a high-powered air rifle while he was inside his residence.



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Son of a Gun


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along with all the fossil fuels created by dead bodies


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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This says quite a bit about Henry's view of rape.
Liberal rape kit?
Henry scorns Planned Parenthood in the case of rape.  I guess Henry is one of those misogynists  who
would force a woman to carry, birth and raise a rapists baby.   While Henry's Conservative brethren
blame the woman for the crime of rape, not the rapist.

What is a woman to do if she is pregnant as a result of rape??? Don't ask Henry or his kind...
they've outlawed PP, and made it nearly impossible in many states for a woman to obtain a safe
legal abortion.
Henry and the Rabid Right want to PUNISH THE VICTIM OF RAPE, not punish the criminal.

Henry's Conservative Anti Rape Kit?
A Fcukin gun! There are only two answers to every possible problem in Henry's world... A Gun or
Cut Taxes... preferably both at the same time.

I wonder if Henry is prepared to arm 12 and 13 year old girls so that they won't be raped by their
fathers or uncles?  I wonder if Henry has even thought out his other solution to rape...'castration'?
Castration is no more a deterrent than the electric chair was when it was commonly used as punishment
for the crime of rape.  
Some how, castration of the criminal is supposed to ease the cost or the pain of a child who's been
raped, as she gives birth to her rapists baby.

If you notice Henry's cartoon... unless a woman (or child) is armed and prepared to shoot her rapist,
Henry offers nothing to the victim of rape, other than 'you're on your own'.



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Rape is in the eye of the beholder


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Gun Safety Class For GunHuggers!

GunHugger shoots, kills himself while demonstrating gun safety!
(No really!  They really are that dumb!)

The GunHugger's girlfriend told authorities that he had begun showing her how to use his three
handguns and demonstrating how safe they were when they were empty, which he did by placing
the gun to his head and pulling the trigger!
After doing this twice, he demonstrated the third handgun and the gun fired, striking him in the head.
The man was pronounced dead at the scene.
DUHHHHHH!


Oakland Press



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