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GrahamBonnet
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It is always exclusively the white's fault


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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It is always exclusively the white's fault


Doesn't help when you have the idiots on the left who have "white guilt" pushing minorities and trying to give justification to their actions.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I'm looking for the definition of suspicious.  I watched the DHS 'see something say something' instructional video and it says report suspicious activity, not illegal.  The beginning of the video shows 2 men with hoods up parking their white van in a parking garage and throwing their keys under it - none of which is illegal. I guess that is "suspicious".  

So if a group of teens walking in my neighborhood a 1am when my neighborhood has a recent history of break ins by teens - what can I consider "suspicious"?  If I call the police to report it, I'm guilty of profiling because the subjective nature of the definition of "suspicious behavior".

I guess the lesson is, do not prevent crime, do not call in suspicious behavior because you will be accused of profiling no matter who you believe is acting suspiciously.  Just wait until the crime is committed on your property and act in self defense.

DO NOT CALL THE POLICE.  That call could be incriminating.  Even if it isn't incriminating, the US mainstream media will edit the phone records to make it sound incriminating and create a civil rights case that never existed.  And you could live the rest of your life in fear of death threats because of the phone records giving the description of the person you felt was acting suspiciously could violate their civil rights.

So enjoy your victim status American slave.  You don't have the luxury of personal armed security that our elite do.  Sit and wait until you are a victim, do not use your instincts and personal judgement for self preservation.  Sit there like a sheep while the wolves close in.  Stay in your house, do not leave your house, if you feel threatened by suspicious behavior, ignore those feelings and call the police(at the risk of being accused of profiling), sit, wait, hide, run, and just HOPE you don't become a victim before the government agents come and save you.

In order to be a civilized society, first everybody must accept their victim status and the state role as the only authority to watch over you.  Give up your guns, give up your neighborhood watches, and "shelter in".  The armored personnel carriers and people with the body armor will save you.


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Zimmerman would have served the community if he had merely snapped a photo of the suspicious person.

Then if a crime was reported he could produce the possible suspect.

Trayvon was not suspected of any crime.

He was suspected of being suspicious.

If a gated neighborhood snapped photos of anyone out at 1am then criminals would learn of it quickly and would go elsewhere.
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I'm looking for the definition of suspicious.  I watched the DHS 'see something say something' instructional video and it says report suspicious activity, not illegal.  The beginning of the video shows 2 men with hoods up parking their white van in a parking garage and throwing their keys under it - none of which is illegal. I guess that is "suspicious".  

So if a group of teens walking in my neighborhood a 1am when my neighborhood has a recent history of break ins by teens - what can I consider "suspicious"?  If I call the police to report it, I'm guilty of profiling because the subjective nature of the definition of "suspicious behavior".

I guess the lesson is, do not prevent crime, do not call in suspicious behavior because you will be accused of profiling no matter who you believe is acting suspiciously.  Just wait until the crime is committed on your property and act in self defense.

DO NOT CALL THE POLICE.  That call could be incriminating.  Even if it isn't incriminating, the US mainstream media will edit the phone records to make it sound incriminating and create a civil rights case that never existed.  And you could live the rest of your life in fear of death threats because of the phone records giving the description of the person you felt was acting suspiciously could violate their civil rights.

So enjoy your victim status American slave.  You don't have the luxury of personal armed security that our elite do.  Sit and wait until you are a victim, do not use your instincts and personal judgement for self preservation.  Sit there like a sheep while the wolves close in.  Stay in your house, do not leave your house, if you feel threatened by suspicious behavior, ignore those feelings and call the police(at the risk of being accused of profiling), sit, wait, hide, run, and just HOPE you don't become a victim before the government agents come and save you.

In order to be a civilized society, first everybody must accept their victim status and the state role as the only authority to watch over you.  Give up your guns, give up your neighborhood watches, and "shelter in".  The armored personnel carriers and people with the body armor will save you.


Yadda Yadda Yadda!  Cic is spewing once again!

I attended a Neighborhood Watch organization meeting where they presented what the group
was all about.  (This was before the Trayvon murder.)
The cop who spoke at the meeting said that neighborhood watch is a big help to the police in
that they are the "eyes and ears" in the community.  NOT THE ARMED INTERVENTION for the police.
The cop said to call if we see anything 'out of place'... not a kid walking and minding his own
business.
The cop said the watch responsibility was to "OBSERVE" not "INTERVENE".

Had Zimmerman just done what he was supposed to do... "observe and report", Trayvon Martin
would still be alive and Zimmerman might go on to live a normal life instead of a life of infamy.




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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Had Zimmerman just done what he was supposed to do... "observe and report", Trayvon Martin
would still be alive and Zimmerman might go on to live a normal life instead of a life of infamy.




That is exactly what he did until Trayvon attacked him, you are trying to ignore the fact that Trayvon was bashing his head into concrete.


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The cop said the watch responsibility was to "OBSERVE" not "INTERVENE".



Observing is stalking if the person you are observing feels threatened.  Then the person you are observing can bounce your head off the concrete and claim that you are stalking.  Observing suspicious behavior and calling it into the cops can been distorted into  profiling if you include any description that is considered a protected class.

Stay in your house, hide, if they enter your house, flee.


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Zimmerman would have served the community if he had merely snapped a photo of the suspicious person.

Then if a crime was reported he could produce the possible suspect.

Trayvon was not suspected of any crime.

He was suspected of being suspicious.

If a gated neighborhood snapped photos of anyone out at 1am then criminals would learn of it quickly and would go elsewhere.


4265 murders in Chicago since 2003.  Only if they knew taking pictures would have stopped those murders.  Nothing strikes fear in violent criminals more than a 35mm...camera.


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That is exactly what he did until Trayvon attacked him, you are trying to ignore the fact that Trayvon was bashing his head into concrete.


That likely wouldn't have happened if Zimmerman didn't approach the teen and followed the instructions 911 gave him to not approach the teen and just to observe.
Whole thing could have been avoided. Personally, I think the gun gave him bravado that he would not have had if he didn't have the gun....I would bet on it!
Not interested in debating gun laws...just saying!
SAD!


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That is exactly what he did until Trayvon attacked him, you are trying to ignore the fact that Trayvon was bashing his head into concrete.


Zimmerman had no reason to be any where Martin.  Zimmerman was the aggressor stalking Martin
putting Martin IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE.  Had Zimmerman done what the Neighborhood Watch requires, and
what the police told him to do... Martin would be alive and Zimmerman would still have a life, instead of
living a nightmare.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Zimmerman had no reason to be any where Martin.  Zimmerman was the aggressor stalking Martin
putting Martin IN FEAR OF HIS LIFE.  Had Zimmerman done what the Neighborhood Watch requires, and
what the police told him to do... Martin would be alive and Zimmerman would still have a life, instead of
living a nightmare.


The testimony said Trayvon jumped out of the bushes.  Zimmerman didn't know where Trayvon was.  He said Trayvon approached the "creepy a** cracker"(nevermind he is hispanic) from the side out of the shadows and punched him in the nose, then "ground and pound".  Zimmerman never approached Trayvon according to testimony.

If Trayvon never approached the neighborhood watchman that was observing him, this never would have happened.


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The testimony said Trayvon jumped out of the bushes.  Zimmerman didn't know where Trayvon was.  He said Trayvon approached the "creepy a** cracker"(nevermind he is hispanic) from the side out of the shadows and punched him in the nose, then "ground and pound".  Zimmerman never approached Trayvon according to testimony.

If Trayvon never approached the neighborhood watchman that was observing him, this never would have happened.


Did Martin Jump Zimmerman when he was in his car???
Did Martin Jump Zimmerman when he was calling the cops?
Did Martin Jump Zimmerman when he was stalking him against police orders???

The testimony that I read said that ZIMMERMAN FOLLOWED MARTIN.  Against Neighborhood Watch
instructions, and against police instructions.
Why did Zimmerman follow Martin???
We all know the answer to that one.
He was itching to pull his piece and shoot a bad guy, of course.  Only as it turns out, Martin was not
a bad guy.  He was just a kid on his way home from the store when he was murdered.

If Zimmerman wasn't packing a gun, he never would have followed Martin.  



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That likely wouldn't have happened if Zimmerman didn't approach the teen and followed the instructions 911 gave him to not approach the teen and just to observe.
Whole thing could have been avoided. Personally, I think the gun gave him bravado that he would not have had if he didn't have the gun....I would bet on it!
Not interested in debating gun laws...just saying!
SAD!


Zimmerman never approached the teen, Trayvon approached him and assaulted him, the confrontation started with Trayvon. The gun may have given him bravado but either way Zimmerman did nothing wrong, he simply defended himself.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Zimmerman never approached the teen, Trayvon approached him and assaulted him, the confrontation started with Trayvon. The gun may have given him bravado but either way Zimmerman did nothing wrong, he simply defended himself.


WOW!  If the FACTS don't match the agenda... change the FACTS!

Did Zimmerman follow Martin or not???


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The testimony said Trayvon jumped out of the bushes.  Zimmerman didn't know where Trayvon was.  He said Trayvon approached the "creepy a** cracker"(nevermind he is hispanic) from the side out of the shadows and punched him in the nose, then "ground and pound".  Zimmerman never approached Trayvon according to testimony.

If Trayvon never approached the neighborhood watchman that was observing him, this never would have happened.


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In his first taped police interview after the February 2012 killing, parts of which were played for the jury in a Seminole County criminal courtroom, Zimmerman said Martin circled his car before their fatal confrontation.
But he did not say it while he was on the phone with a police dispatcher he called to report what he identified as a suspicious youth walking at a leisurely pace through the rain at his Retreat at Twin Lakes Community.

Zimmerman, 29, also told police he got out of his car because he could not tell police the name of the street where he had last seen Martin before he lost eye-contact with him, even though the Retreat at Twin Lakes housing complex has only three streets.

Zimmerman also told Sanford Police investigator Doris Singleton, who testified in court on Monday, that Martin jumped out of the bushes before punching him to the ground and slamming his head into the concrete walkway repeatedly. But a Google map of the area where the attack is said to have occurred does not appear to show any bushes near the spot, and Zimmerman was unable to tell Ms Singleton if Martin jumped out from in front of him or from behind him.

Though Zimmerman shot Martin through the heart at point blank range with his 9mm Kel-Tec semi-automatic pistol, killing him almost instantly, Zimmerman also told police that the youth continued to talk after being shot.
"All right, you got it, you got it," Zimmerman quoted Martin as saying as he lay dying.

He also quoted Martin as telling him "You're going to die tonight," just before attacking him, but none of the witnesses who have testified so far have reported hearing any threats.



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