This is America, everybody is guilty of something.
REALLY? Pretty stupid statement I think. Law says we are all innocent until PROVEN guilty. So your opinion is that we are all guilty until proven innocent...YUP sounds about right for you!.
A grand jury endorses a presumption of guilt before a trial. Most countries gave up the grand jury. The fact that Zimmerman was tried without a grand jury indictment may have helped him with the not guilty verdict.
I understand that you are guided by clichés' and slogans like "innocent until proven guilty"(Coined by Sir William Garrow). But the state’s ability to keep the accused jailed until trial, and get a grand jury indictment, the presumption of guilt has been pretty well established. When the prosecution brings a case to trial, they are not presuming innocents; they have the burden of proof to get a conviction.
Talking to a friend of mine from England, he felt the U.S. justice system is a very slanted system. With the politically elected prosecutors and judges, to the grand jury indictment (presumption of guilt), to the rules in which the lawyers can present their cases to the jury (the rhetorical language they are allowed to use).
Martin Family Lawyer, Says 'Biggest Mistake Was To Ignore Race'
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One of the lawyer's for Trayvon Martin's family said that the prosecution should have focused more on race.
Natalie Jackson argued that the defense used certain racial biases to their advantage, attempting to paint a picture of Trayvon Martin as a thug who used drugs and got in trouble at school. "Trayvon was not a burglar, he was not doing anything wrong," Sabrina Fulton told 'CBS This Morning'. "He simply went to the store and was headed back home. And for somebody to look at him and perceive that he was a burglar, that was the problem that initiated everything."
"Obviously anytime you have a person that makes an assumption that a person is up to no good, there’s some type of profiling there. Was he racially profiled? I think that if Trayvon had been white this wouldn’t have never happened. Obviously race is playing some type of role.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Martin Family Lawyer, Says 'Biggest Mistake Was To Ignore Race'
That was a pitch that the defense would have hit out of the park... They could respondby subpoenaing the FBI interviews that led the FBI to conclude that Zimmerman was not racist and race was very likely not a factor in this incident.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
That was a pitch that the defense would have hit out of the park... They could respondby subpoenaing the FBI interviews that led the FBI to conclude that Zimmerman was not racist and race was very likely not a factor in this incident.
YUP! That would have been ONE factor in the trial. The FBI found no evidence of racial bias.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
ya gotta feel sorry for Jay Carney....he has to lie for the government every day!!! Kudo's to the 16 year old!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
A grand jury endorses a presumption of guilt before a trial. REALLY...again, says who..you! On what authority? Flase claim by you is what this is!!! They don't endorse anything...they rule on evidence,
I understand that you are guided by clichés' and slogans NOPE, wrong again. Guided by life experiences and my own ability to make my own decisions based on facts and reality.
When the prosecution brings a case to trial, they are not presuming innocents; they have the burden of proof to get a conviction. BINGO...a correct statement for a change...YES, they have to believe someone is guilty and prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt"...that's exactly how it works. If the prosecution thought the person was innocent, why would they prosecute them? DUH!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
This thread continues to live! I find this an interesting commentary considering:
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So who really gives a crap about this 'created circus tent show'!!! I mean really now.............. how's egypt doing..... afghan..... iraq....... the trillions in debt........ the unemployment........ the millions of foreclosed homes........... the unsustainable train wreck called obamacare? the LAME STREAM MEDIA had succeeded again at a great RE-DIRECT!!!! Come on sheople..........WAKE THE HELL UP!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Here come J.O. Box to tell us how no one should have the right to self-defense (except for him.)
Liberal, anti-American azz-clown. Go back to Italy and take all your flies with you. Don't let the outhouse door hit your socialist behind on the way back to the banana boat. Speaka' de Eeengleesh eh?
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Here come J.O. Box to tell us how no one should have the right to self-defense (except for him.)
Liberal, anti-American azz-clown. Go back to Italy and take all your flies with you. Don't let the outhouse door hit your socialist behind on the way back to the banana boat. Speaka' de Eeengleesh eh?
Really, I said that??? WOW, how much did you spend on that matchbook degree???? Did you trace the dog or have someone do it for you??? Whatever you spent, it obviously was wasted money! Maybe you can get into a remedial reading class for clowns!
PS - Show me where I said what you claim! Maybe I'm not udnerstanding my own writing!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
A grand jury endorses a presumption of guilt before a trial. REALLY...again, says who..you! On what authority? Flase claim by you is what this is!!! They don't endorse anything...they rule on evidence,
Lol "on what authority". It's called critical thinking. The grand jury cannot cross examine the states witnesses. They are force fed the states evidence and are limited in their investigation. The jurors are not screened for biases, no defense attorney for jury selection.
The grand jury is the state prosecutors rubber stamp. Of course, I am no authority.
Keep on praising the Land of the Free's criminal justice system that has the highest incarceration rate in the WORLD.
BINGO...a correct statement for a change...YES, they have to believe someone is guilty and prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt"...that's exactly how it works. If the prosecution thought the person was innocent, why would they prosecute them? DUH!!!!
Very good. Then stop repeating the cliche "innocent until proven guilty". It is presumed guilty until proven guilty.
Lol "on what authority". It's called critical thinking. The grand jury cannot cross examine the states witnesses. They are force fed the states evidence and are limited in their investigation. The jurors are not screened for biases, no defense attorney for jury selection.
The grand jury is the state prosecutors rubber stamp. Of course, I am no authority.
Keep on praising the Land of the Free's criminal justice system that has the highest incarceration rate in the WORLD.
Well the GJ I sat on, I asked questions and I made my decision based on EVIDENCE!!!! So don't know what to tell you!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Very good. Then stop repeating the cliche "innocent until proven guilty". It is presumed guilty until proven guilty.
NOPE, sorry...it's still my belief that a person is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty...and you don't have the power to change that. If you choose to feel the opposite, as you've stated, well that's on you...but I'm not going to change what I believe becuase you disagree!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Well the GJ I sat on, I asked questions and I made my decision based on EVIDENCE!!!! So don't know what to tell you!
Did you cross examine witnesses? Did the state prosecutor offer evidence that may lead to the person being charged to be found innocent? Did the state prosecutor offer evidence that gave reasonable doubt?
And it works both ways. The prosecutor can present the states case to prevent an indictment.
No, didn't get to cross examine a witness even in regular court...that's what attornies are for. Prosecutor presenting evidence to find a person innocent...now that's a first...you are delusional! Proscution present evidence to support reasonable doubt...what LA LA land do you live in try to understand ....................there is a difference between PROSECUTOR and DEFENSE!!!! Prosecutor present evidence to prevent indictment...really? So wouldn't they be called PUBLIC DEFENDER then!
What about Defense presenting evidence to show the client might be guilty? What about Defense puting accused on witness stand when he knows they're guilty and will incremenate themselves?
Come on Cissy, even you know your statements are absurd......?
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
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