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No where in my life would I have been Zimmerman.  A bully with a 'hero complex' out to take down
crime singlehandedly because "I have a gun".


At least Zimmerman could make a reasonable claim to self defense.  He was a neighborhood watchman in his neighborhood with a recent history of break-ins. He regrettably killed a person.  You on the other hand, carried a gun in Vietnam with the intent of killing the citizens in a neighborhood you didn't belong in.

Only those in the government costumes can have a hero complex after killing.  They expect a parade after doing it.


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At least Zimmerman could make a reasonable claim to self defense.  He was a neighborhood watchman in his neighborhood with a recent history of break-ins. He regrettably killed a person.  You on the other hand, carried a gun in Vietnam with the intent of killing the citizens in a neighborhood you didn't belong in.

Only those in the government costumes can have a hero complex after killing.  They expect a parade after doing it.


Cissy is so easily distracted!  


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At least Zimmerman could make a reasonable claim to self defense.  He was a neighborhood watchman in his neighborhood with a recent history of break-ins. He regrettably killed a person.  
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Zimmerman had no authority to take down an innocent person who was minding his business and who
was IN HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD! AND WHO WAS NO THREAT TO ZIMMERMAN OR ANYONE ELSE.
Zimmerman stalked this innocent kid.  Had Martin had a gun, he could have been the one
in fear of his life and shot an armed stalker.
Zimmerman didn't shoot some intruder, he shot a kid, a neighbor, who's mission the neighborhood watch
was intended to protect. Instead he killed him.



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The GOP Can’t Reboot With Bigots In Its Midst
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As a matter of history, black Americans — at least those who were allowed to vote
— were Republicans for decades after the Civil War. But some found Franklin Roosevelt’s
New Deal attractive, and most found Lyndon Johnson’s support for civil rights irresistible.
They left the Republican Party.

And they’ve stayed away since the 1960s, alienated by the GOP’s Southern strategy of
race-baiting and pandering to the prejudices of right-wing neanderthals. If you wonder
why black voters believe the Republican Party trades in the rankest bigotry, look no further
than the reaction to the George Zimmerman verdict among conservative commentators.
It’s been appalling.


The National Memo
http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-gop-cant-reboot-with-bigots-in-its-midst/


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Zimmerman had no authority to take down an innocent person who was minding his business and who
was IN HIS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD! AND WHO WAS NO THREAT TO ZIMMERMAN



What I love about this quote is, it suggests somebody DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY to take down an innocent person.  Who would have the authority to do that?


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What I love about this quote is, it suggests somebody DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY to take down an innocent person.  Who would have the authority to do that?

NO ONE!
The police have the authority to stop and question in this case, Zimmerman had none.  And he certainly
had no authority to stalk and shoot an unarmed innocent kid.



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NO ONE!
The police have the authority to stop and question in this case, Zimmerman had none.  And he certainly
had no authority to stalk and shoot an unarmed innocent kid.



But if a cop followed an unarmed man and that unarmed man was able to get the cop on his back and beat his head off the concrete, the cop has no right to use his gun to protect himself?  I would bet he does.  


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But if a cop followed an unarmed man and that unarmed man was able to get the cop on his back and beat his head off the concrete, the cop has no right to use his gun to protect himself?  I would bet he does.  


If a cop had showed up before the Martin murder, the cop may have been able to protect a kid from
an armed man stalking him, and possibly saved Martin's life.



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If a cop had showed up before the Martin murder, the cop may have been able to protect a kid from
an armed man stalking him, and possibly saved Martin's life.



But if the cop ended up on his back getting his head bashed against the concrete, he certainly couldn't use his gun to protect himself against a young boy armed with skittles.

BTW, if a cop showed up and stopped Trayvon, wouldn't they be guilty of profiling too?  


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NO ONE!
The police have the authority to stop and question in this case, Zimmerman had none.  And he certainly
had no authority to stalk and shoot an unarmed innocent kid.



So I can't stop anybody walking through my neighborhood and try to ask them a question?  Talking to people on public property is illegal?


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BTW, if a cop showed up and stopped Trayvon, wouldn't they be guilty of profiling too?  


YUP!  We agree then... They would be guilty of profiling TOO!  Just like Zimmerman.


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YUP!  We agree then... They would be guilty of profiling TOO!  Just like Zimmerman.


So if my neighborhood has a history of break ins and people have described them as teens, and I see teens walking through my neighborhood at 1am, can I report to police that there are suspicious teens in my neighborhood?  Or only if they are white?  Is teen profiling a violation of the civil liberties of teens?  Can I walk out of my house and follow the teens and ask them what they are doing?  Or am I guilty of age profiling?  If the unarmed teens jump me and are kicking and punching me while on the ground, can I protect myself with a gun?  Or do I half to hope I survive the beating because I dare to question what they were doing walking the neighborhood at 1am?

This is oh so very complicated.  

It's only complicated to a person that doesn't live in Schenectady where police response time could be HOURS.  So the crime has long been committed and a person victimized while waiting for those people AUTHORIZED to do something about it.


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The Viet Namese...an innocent people who was minding their business and who
were IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD! AND WHO WAS NO THREAT TO ANYONE ELSE.




Corrected it for you.

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So if my neighborhood has a history of break ins and people have described them as teens,
and I see teens walking through my neighborhood at 1am, can I report to police that there
are suspicious teens in my neighborhood?

If a teen or adult is "walking" through your neighborhood... what is 'suspicious? Do you
consider "walking" to be suspicious?


Or only if they are white?  Is teen profiling a violation of the civil liberties of teens?
Can I walk out of my house and follow the teens and ask them what they are doing?
  Or am I guilty of age profiling?
It's your scenario... and in your scenario the teen (or
adult) has done nothing suspicious.


  If the unarmed teens jump me and are kicking and punching me while on the ground, can
I protect myself with a gun?  Or do I half to hope I survive the beating because I dare to
question what they were doing walking the neighborhood at 1am?
What gives
you the RIGHT to question anyone walking through your neighborhood.  Again... they are
suspicious because they are "WALKING".


This is oh so very complicated. No Cissy... it's not. If you consider "walking" suspicious,
then everyone who WALKS is a suspect.  




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look no further
than the reaction to the George Zimmerman verdict among conservative commentators.
It’s been appalling.


Yeah because conservatives are out breaking into stores and assaulting people at bus stops.....oh wait




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