Based on the reports I've seen (not on Fox), some people are being forced to have coverage that couldn't possibly use... like the guy who has to have neo-natal coverage for his 59 year old wife!....This entire process was rushed... from the website to the one size fits all health plans...
I said repeatedly I don't necessarily have an issue with universal health care, but I do have an issue with the LIES, DISTORTIONS, and backroom deals told and done to get this l law passed and active. Yesterdays Obama statement was an example...he said only 5% will be losing their plans.. Well that 5% is of the total insured...of those total insured, only 20% are individual policy buyers...so, in reality, of the people affected by the plan requirements, it's 25% that will lose their plans , not 5%..
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The reality is that those currently without health insurance or with pre-existing conditions will likely be better off under the law. Those currently with cheap catastrophic policies may be worse off if they cannot find a new policy. But the vast majority of Americans will notice no difference at all in their health insurance coverage.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"The reality is that those currently without health insurance or with pre-existing conditions will likely be better off under the law. Those currently with cheap catastrophic policies may be worse off if they cannot find a new policy. But the vast majority of Americans will notice no difference at all in their health insurance coverage." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, since 80% of insured Americans are not shopping in the Exchanges... duh > But this law WAS passed for those individual insure-es and those without Insurance. Obama said "If you like your health insurance, you can keep it"....no qualifiers, no, "if it meets ACA standards"... That was a flat out lie, something Obama and his admin KNEW was a lie as early as 2010...but yet he continued to say it..
Again, the lying, the backroom deals for unions (who can keep their plans and are EXEMPT from ACA requirements), and the fallacy that dumping 16 million new people into a system that is already begging for Doctors, nurses, and PA's will not effect the timeliness of care are things that make you wonder what else are they are not telling you?
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
"The reality is that those currently without health insurance or with pre-existing conditions will likely be better off under the law. Those currently with cheap catastrophic policies may be worse off if they cannot find a new policy. But the vast majority of Americans will notice no difference at all in their health insurance coverage." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, since 80% of insured Americans are not shopping in the Exchanges... duh > But this law WAS passed for those individual insure-es and those without Insurance. Obama said "If you like your health insurance, you can keep it"....no qualifiers, no, "if it meets ACA standards"... That was a flat out lie, something Obama and his admin KNEW was a lie as early as 2010...but yet he continued to say it..
Again, the lying, the backroom deals for unions (who can keep their plans and are EXEMPT from ACA requirements), and the fallacy that dumping 16 million new people into a system that is already begging for Doctors, nurses, and PA's will not effect the timeliness of care are things that make you wonder what else are they are not telling you?
If you dislike ObamaCare, then you're not alone. Eliminating the "single payer' option was a terrible decision. I hope that "single payer" is eventually restored once ObamaCare is up and running.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If you dislike ObamaCare, then you're not alone. Eliminating the "single payer' option was a terrible decision. I hope that "single payer" is eventually restored once ObamaCare is up and running.
I have Company insurance, so I don't have an opinion on the actual ObamaCare offerings one way or another. I learned in 30 years in the IT business, be honest with the customer and tell them the true upfront costs and the cons of a project.
The one way to lose a customer is to go over budget and gloss over the negative points just to get the bid. It's called trust... It wasn't done here, and the fallout is exactly what you would expect.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
I have Company insurance, so I don't have an opinion on the actual ObamaCare offerings one way or another. I learned in 30 years in the IT business, be honest with the customer and tell them the true upfront costs and the cons of a project.
The one way to lose a customer is to go over budget and gloss over the negative points just to get the bid. It's called trust... It wasn't done here, and the fallout is exactly what you would expect.
Government doesn't work like business. Your customers are voluntary, you don't have the luxury to threaten your customer with violence to buy your product that they are not satisfied with. Government doesn't care about satisfied customers, they will just force them to comply and to take their shitty product. It's the American way!
The are all now....slowly....starting to allow a certain # of doctor visits per year....this is just the beginning!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The are all now....slowly....starting to allow a certain # of doctor visits per year....this is just the beginning!!
YEs after the allowed number, you'll have to pay a portion of them.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And Cicero didn't vote, so he is responsible for absolutely nothing... but that doesn't stop him from whining about the government that he let OTHERS select for him.
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
The reality is that those currently without health insurance or with pre-existing conditions will likely be better off under the law. Those currently with cheap catastrophic policies may be worse off if they cannot find a new policy. But the vast majority of Americans will notice no difference at all in their health insurance coverage.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
For the “Healthcare is Special” Crowd John Keller Email Print FacebookTwitterShare I keep seeing posts on social media to the effect that healthcare is somehow “special” because it deals with people’s lives and well-being, so it is not or should not be subject to the laws of economics, such as supply and demand, in the same way as gasoline, pet food, or apples. This is like saying that people are special and therefore are not or should not be subject to the laws of physics, such as gravity. Healthcare, drugs, medical equipment, and so on are scare goods, and therefore subject to the laws of economics whether people like it or not. If demand for a given drug goes up with the supply remaining fixed, ceteris paribus, the price will rise.
The second fallacy is that healthcare is not a regular market good, because people’s lives are at stake, so the government must step in to make sure the awful free market doesn’t keep it away from the poor, etc.. Setting aside for a moment the fact that the average American visits the doctor just over 3 times a year, mostly for a cough, and the fact that mortality rates drop when hospitals close, and the fact that iatrogenic errors are usually cited as the fourth leading cause of death, there is another good that is far more important and far less regulated, and that is food.
We eat several times a day, and without food we would die in less than a month. Yet, every attempt to centrally plan the cultivation, harvest, and distribution of this vitally important good has resulted in starvation, shortages, and food riots that are astonishing in their scale. The Five Year Plans had the central planners making errors at every step in the production chain, from what crops to sow, to how many tractors and plows to make, to what fertilizer to mix, to how to get rice to market before it rotted, to what price to sell it. All along the value chain, prices signal the farmers, tractor makers, fertilizer peddlers, and grocers what to charge and what to produce in a feedback loop of supply and demand that puts asparagus to zucchini on the table millions of times a day, and automatically signals consumers that lobster is rare and delicious, while few people like beets.
This is the miracle of the market at work, feeding millions. To the extent that we trust the government it has given us the deeply flawed food pyramid, and a food system based largely on soy, corn, and wheat in the hands of a few favored mega-corps. Happily, the relatively free entry into the market means that alternatives can thrive as smaller farms with better quality food enter the market. If we trusted government to manage and regulate the food supply as completely as some would have with healthcare, we would end up with meals of the same general quality as “government cheese” at best, and the food riots, breadlines, and starvation of past central planning attempts at worst. Pass the broccoli, please – not today, your plan only covers broccoli 3 times a month.
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
When you read an ObamaCare horror story, be sure to check the facts: What does the old plan actually cover? Did the person actually go to the insurance exchange or, as in many of these stories, they take the word of their broker. Compare the entire cost... the premium is low, but what are the co-pays and deductibles? Do they qualify for a subsidy?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
When you read an ObamaCare horror story, be sure to check the facts: What does the old plan actually cover? Did the person actually go to the insurance exchange or, as in many of these stories, they take the word of their broker. Compare the entire cost... the premium is low, but what are the co-pays and deductibles? Do they qualify for a subsidy?
people never know what kind of coverage they NEED....they don't even know what a fu(king healthy diet is....or that exercise is good for you and even if they do it's called "fitting in a workout"....HELL you don't hear farmer joe talking about fitting in a workout, do you?
this is like learning to count cards...the house ALWAYS wins....
you see, health insurance is just that...insurance...NOT healthcare as has been the 'talking point' by legislators and actuarial theories....
so no matter what fu(king plan you pick the deck of cards are always stacked against you because you have a pre-determined value placed on you by actuarial theory/science.....unless of course you know a crystal ball reader for your future......or you are a god.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
A new Kaiser Family Foundation poll finds that 44% of Americans say they paid very close attention to the fight over the budget and the debt limit that led to a government shutdown. In contrast, just 22% say they've paid attention to the problems with the Obamacare website rollout.
The Republicans shut down the govt in a succession of failed attempts to end ObamaCare. The GOP continues to pay the price for that action:
With years of hype against ObamaCare, how successful has the GOP been in their war against health care?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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