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joebxr
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Really, you seriously think the 350 black prisoners in the county jail deal all the drugs to the 30,00 white
people in the city?

Black dealers do in fact get reported more often.

White people consume and sell many times more drugs than blacks.

Blacks are hunted for giant police paychecks.

The white neighbors of the cops are ignored.


It's called racial disparity.

SPRINGFIELD — African Americans in Illinois convicted of low-level, drug-possession charges face prison time at a far greater rate than whites convicted of the same crimes, a state panel disclosed Monday.

The Illinois Disproportionate Justice Impact Study Commission, formed in 2009, found that 19 percent of black defendants charged in 2005 were sentenced to prison after being charged with a low-level drug possession felony.

Only 4 percent of white defendants went to prison under the same charges, the group reported in a newly released study on the issue.

The disparity grew worse in Cook County where black defendants arrested for the low-level charge were eight times more likely to be sentenced to prison than whites, the group found.

“It’s always disappointing to know the true facts,” said Sen. Mattie Hunter (D-Chicago), the panel’s co-chairman and the Senate sponsor of legislation that created the commission to look into incarceration rates between the races.

Despite the disparity, Pamela Rodriguez, president of Treatment Alternatives for Safe Communities, a Chicago-based non-profit that led the commission’s research, said blacks and whites nationally use illegal drugs at roughly the same level.

A federal study in 2008 found that 10.1 percent of all blacks reported using illegal drugs
compared to 8.2 percent of all whites.


Several reasons explain the disparity, she said, including economic and educational factors; chiefly, however, blacks are more likely to conduct drug sales in public areas, where police target.

“Where you have greater enforcement, you have greater arrests,” Rodriguez said. “Where you have greater arrests, you have greater prosecutions.”






Quoted from Libertarian4life:  Most drug dealers are white.
THAT IS YOUR COMMENT THAT I CHALLENGED AND THE ONLY COMMENT I CHALLENGED AND AS STATED FROM YOUR OWN LINK, IT IS WRONG! You can mix in all the other details you want to cover your inaccurate claim, but it was still wrong!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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It wouldn't be diminished... but instead increased for a similar action that was a hate crime.  

This is one of those laws that the Right will always fault... until they are the victim of a hate crime.
If Tbird is injured just because he's gay... he'd get it.


diminished vs increased...its nothing but semantics, Box...

What i want is EQUAL protection and PUNISHMENT for everyone...YOU dont...at end of all your bullshit half full vs half empty defense, its obvious...

You are a troll and a fraud.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Quoted from Libertarian4life:  Most drug dealers are white.
THAT IS YOUR COMMENT THAT I CHALLENGED AND THE ONLY COMMENT I CHALLENGED AND AS STATED FROM YOUR OWN LINK, IT IS WRONG! You can mix in all the other details you want to cover your inaccurate claim, but it was still wrong!


Perhaps you would believe PBS.org?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/buyers/whoare.html

Of the major racial/ethnic groups, the rate of drug use is highest among the American Indian/Native American population (10.6%)
and those reporting mixed race (11.2%), followed by African Americans (7.7%), Hispanics (6.8%), whites (6.6%). The lowest rates
are found among the Asian population. (3.2%)

White or European American = 223,553,265 or 72.4 % of the country
Black or African American = 38,929,319 or 12.6 % of the country

Now which is higher, 6.6 percent of 72.4%
or 7.7 percent of  12.6 percent?


2,997,557 black drug users
14,754,515 white drug users



     Who Are America's Drug Users?     

How Many People Use Illicit Drugs?

According to the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, in 1999 an estimated 14.8 million Americans (see the chart) were current illicit drug users, meaning they had used some illicit drug during the month prior to the survey. This represents 6.7 percent of the population 12 years and older.(1) This number is down more than 50% from the peak year of 1979 (see the chart) when 25 million people (14.1% of the population) were using illegal drugs.

In 1999, more than 4 million of the drug using population were hardcore users: 3.3 million chronic cocaine users and 977,000 chronic heroin users, according to Office of National Drug Control Policy estimates.(2) While casual use of illicit drugs, and cocaine in particular, has fallen dramatically (see the chart) since the early 1980s, the number of hard-core users of cocaine and heroin has remained virtually unchanged.(3)

Who they Are

(4) In terms of age ranges, the highest rate of illicit drug use is found among older teens: the 1999 Monitoring the Future study found that 22% of 10th graders and 26% of 12th graders reported using an illicit drug in the past month.(5) They are closely followed by young adults; the Household Survey found that 20-21% of Americans aged 18-20 reported past month use of some illicit drug.

Men have consistently had a higher rate of drug use than women. In 1999, 8.7% of men were current users of illicit drugs, compared to 4.9% of women. Among children aged 12-17, the rates for boys were only slightly higher than those for girls. (8.4% vs. 7.1%)

Of the major racial/ethnic groups, the rate of drug use is highest among the American Indian/Native American population (10.6%) and those reporting mixed race (11.2%), followed by African Americans (7.7%), Hispanics (6.8%), whites (6.6%). The lowest rates are found among the Asian population. (3.2%).

Drug use rates have historically been highly correlated with educational status, and remain so. College graduates have the lowest rates of current drug use (4.8%).

Drug use is more prevalent in metropolitan than non-metropolitan areas, and higher in the West (7.9%) than in the Northeast (7.4%), Midwest (6.7%), or South (5.6%).(6)


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Quoted from Libertarian4life

Box, you ignorant Baboon,

The more L4Life is wrong... the more insults he posts... HE must be REALLY wrong this time!!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Perhaps you would believe PBS.org?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/buyers/whoare.html

Of the major racial/ethnic groups, the rate of drug use is highest among the American Indian/Native American population (10.6%)
and those reporting mixed race (11.2%), followed by African Americans (7.7%), Hispanics (6.8%), whites (6.6%). The lowest rates
are found among the Asian population. (3.2%)

White or European American = 223,553,265 or 72.4 % of the country
Black or African American = 38,929,319 or 12.6 % of the country

Now which is higher, 6.6 percent of 72.4%
or 7.7 percent of  12.6 percent?


2,997,557 black drug users
14,754,515 white drug users



     Who Are America's Drug Users?     

How Many People Use Illicit Drugs?

According to the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, in 1999 an estimated 14.8 million Americans (see the chart) were current illicit drug users, meaning they had used some illicit drug during the month prior to the survey. This represents 6.7 percent of the population 12 years and older.(1) This number is down more than 50% from the peak year of 1979 (see the chart) when 25 million people (14.1% of the population) were using illegal drugs.

In 1999, more than 4 million of the drug using population were hardcore users: 3.3 million chronic cocaine users and 977,000 chronic heroin users, according to Office of National Drug Control Policy estimates.(2) While casual use of illicit drugs, and cocaine in particular, has fallen dramatically (see the chart) since the early 1980s, the number of hard-core users of cocaine and heroin has remained virtually unchanged.(3)

Who they Are

(4) In terms of age ranges, the highest rate of illicit drug use is found among older teens: the 1999 Monitoring the Future study found that 22% of 10th graders and 26% of 12th graders reported using an illicit drug in the past month.(5) They are closely followed by young adults; the Household Survey found that 20-21% of Americans aged 18-20 reported past month use of some illicit drug.

Men have consistently had a higher rate of drug use than women. In 1999, 8.7% of men were current users of illicit drugs, compared to 4.9% of women. Among children aged 12-17, the rates for boys were only slightly higher than those for girls. (8.4% vs. 7.1%)

Of the major racial/ethnic groups, the rate of drug use is highest among the American Indian/Native American population (10.6%) and those reporting mixed race (11.2%), followed by African Americans (7.7%), Hispanics (6.8%), whites (6.6%). The lowest rates are found among the Asian population. (3.2%).

Drug use rates have historically been highly correlated with educational status, and remain so. College graduates have the lowest rates of current drug use (4.8%).

Drug use is more prevalent in metropolitan than non-metropolitan areas, and higher in the West (7.9%) than in the Northeast (7.4%), Midwest (6.7%), or South (5.6%).(6)




YOU DUMBA$$ OSTRICH!!!

"Quoted from Libertarian4life:  Most drug dealers are white."

THAT IS YOUR COMMENT THAT I CHALLENGED AND THE ONLY COMMENT I CHALLENGED AND AS STATED FROM YOUR OWN LINK, IT IS WRONG! You can mix in all the other details you want to cover your inaccurate claim, but it was still wrong!


AND YOU KEEP TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT WITH DRUG "USE" FACTS.....
MOST DRUG DEALERS ARE WHITE IS INCORRECT AND YOUR OWN LINKS PROVE IT!!!! SPIN IT ANYWAY YOU WANT....YOUR STATEMENT WAS WRONG!!!!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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I don't know who got this thread off the gun debate but .....

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YOU DUMBA$$ OSTRICH!!!

"Quoted from Libertarian4life:  Most drug dealers are white."

THAT IS YOUR COMMENT THAT I CHALLENGED AND THE ONLY COMMENT I CHALLENGED AND AS STATED FROM YOUR OWN LINK, IT IS WRONG! You can mix in all the other details you want to cover your inaccurate claim, but it was still wrong!


AND YOU KEEP TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT WITH DRUG "USE" FACTS.....
MOST DRUG DEALERS ARE WHITE IS INCORRECT AND YOUR OWN LINKS PROVE IT!!!! SPIN IT ANYWAY YOU WANT....YOUR STATEMENT WAS WRONG!!!!!


My statement is not wrong.

You can't prove that most drug dealers are black either.

The best you can do is prove who gets arrested the most.

That is not a logical conclusion for who deals more drugs, blacks or whites.

You also can't disprove racism as the reason for prisons filled with blacks.

I see that you along with box will never accept facts, but:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/06/19/race-drugs-and-law-enforcement-united-states


By definition, drug users violate laws against drug possession. They also frequently engage in illegal drug distribution activities-e.g., selling drugs for cash or providing them to friends.[47] If, as Figure 1 indicates, blacks constitute a relatively small proportion of those who use drugs (between 13% and 20% depending on the drug), they likely constitute a comparable proportion of those who engage in other illegal drug-related activities. Although there is little direct research on the race of drug sellers, for example, that which exists suggests a racial breakdown among sellers similar to that among users. National surveys of drug abuse conducted by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration have sometimes included questions on drug selling. In 1991, 0.7% of adult whites and 1.4% of adult blacks reported selling drugs in the past twelve months. Although the proportion of sellers was twice that among blacks than among whites, in absolute numbers far more whites (939,345) reported drug selling than blacks (268,170).[48] Black sellers constituted 12% of the combined number of self-reported black and white sellers. Fifteen years later, 1.6% of whites and 2.8% of blacks surveyed in 2006 reported they had sold drugs in the past twelve months, or an estimated 2,461,797 whites, and 712,044 blacks. Blacks thus represented 14% of the combined black and white sellers.[49]

Evidence regarding the race of drug sellers also emerges from research in specific urban drug markets. For example, the study of Seattle's drug market, discussed above, indicates that the majority of the drug sellers are white (as are a majority of the users).[50] In fact, research suggests that drug users tend to obtain their drugs from people of the same race as themselves.[51] As one researcher addressing racial congruity in drug activities concluded, "[D]ealers with direct contact with their customers . . . are likely to look like the customers . . ."[52]

Some might question whether blacks constitute a higher percentage than whites of persons occupying higher ranks in the drug business, e.g. major traffickers. Empirical research addressing this question is not available, but experts suggest that higher positions in the drug trade are not likely to be held by black individuals. The race of persons in the upper echelons of the drug trade is also not particularly relevant, because the overwhelming preponderance of drug offenders entering the criminal justice system are low-level non-violent offenders. For example, between 1980 and the present, arrests for drug sales, possession with intent to sell, manufacturing, transportation, or importing have never constituted more than 36% of all drug arrests.[53] Drug offenders who are incarcerated are mostly street-level dealers, couriers, and other bit players in the drug trade.[54]
A. Arrests and Incarceration of Drug Offenders

All other things being equal, if blacks constitute an estimated 13% to 20 % of the total of black and white drug offenders, they, should constitute a roughly similar proportion of the total number of blacks and whites who are arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for drug law violations. But all other things are not equal. The data demonstrate clearly and consistently that blacks have been and remain more likely to be arrested for drug offending behavior relative to their percentage among drug offenders than whites who engage in the same behavior. There are many reasons for the racial disparities in drug arrests, including demographics,[55] the extent of community complaints, police allocation of resources,[56] racial profiling,[57] and the relative ease of making drug arrests in minority urban areas compared to white areas.[58] One analyst has observed that in the war on drugs:

Racial profiling is almost inevitable. Race becomes one of the readily observable visual clues to help identify drug suspects, along with age, gender and location. There is a certain rationality to this-if you are in poor black neighborhoods, drug dealers are more likely to be black. Local distribution networks are often monoracial; downscale markets are often neighborhood-based; and downscale urban neighborhoods are often segregated . . . . The law and practice of drug enforcement is market-specific, and the markets are divided by race and class.[59]

Former New York Police Commissioner Lee Brown explained the police concentration in certain neighborhoods and the consequent racial impact as follows:

In most large cities, the police focus their attention on where they see conspicuous drug use-street-corner drug sales-and where they get the most complaints. Conspicuous drug use is generally in your low-income neighborhoods that generally turn out to be your minority neighborhoods . . . . It's easier for police to make an arrest when you have people selling drugs on the street corner than those who are [selling or buying drugs] in the suburbs or in office buildings. The end result is that more blacks are arrested than whites because of the relative ease in making those arrests.[60]

Between 1980 and 2007, there were more than twenty-five million adult drug arrests in the United States.[61] The percentage of arrests that involved black men and women increased from 27% in 1980 to a high ranging from 40% to 42% between 1989 and 1993, and then declined more or less steadily to the current percentage of 35%. Relative to population, blacks have been arrested on drug charges at consistently higher rates than whites. In 1980 blacks were arrested at rates almost three (2.9) times the rate of whites. In the years with the worst disparities, between 1988 and 1993, blacks were arrested at rates more than five times the rate of whites. In the last six years, the ratio of black to white drug arrest rates has ranged between 3.5 and 3.9.[62]

Although the ratio of black to white arrests has decreased somewhat since the mid 1990s when it was at its highest, racial disparity in drug arrests has continued despite changes in drug use and law enforcement priorities As the crack cocaine market began to constrict in urban areas and the use of cocaine stabilized, "[L]aw enforcement shifted its emphasis toward marijuana."[63] Methamphetamine manufacture and use emerged as law enforcement concerns in the late 1990s. Yet although marijuana use is prevalent across races,[64] and methamphetamine is used primarily by whites,[65] blacks continue to be disproportionately arrested.[66]

The difference between the black proportion of drug offenders and the black proportion of drug arrests reflects the ongoing salience of urban drug law enforcement, or, more specifically, drug law enforcement in black urban neighborhoods. In 2007, for example, 77% of drug arrests occurred in cities.[67] Although urban blacks account for approximately 6% of the national population, they constituted 29.8% of all drug arrests in 2007.[68] A longitudinal analysis of urban drug arrests by race shows that in the largest American cities, drug arrests for African Americans rose at three times the rate for whites between 1980 and 2003, 225% compared to 70%. In eleven cities, black drug arrests rose by more than 500%.[69] In the seventy-five largest counties in the United States, blacks in 2002 accounted for 46% of drug offense arrests, even though they represented only 15.6% of the population.[70] New York State provides a particularly striking example: blacks in New York City represent 10.7% of the state population, yet accounted for 42.1% of drug arrests statewide.[71]
B. Incarceration

The racial disparities evident in drug arrests grow larger as cases wind their way through the criminal justice system.[72] Blacks constitute 43% and whites 55% of persons convicted of drug felonies in state courts,[73] and blacks account for 53.5% and whites for 33.3% of persons admitted to state prison with new convictions for drug offenses.[74] In 2007, blacks accounted for 33.2% of people entering federal prison for drug offenses.[75]

A comparison of the rates, relative to population, at which blacks and whites are sent to state prison for drug offenses offers what may be the most compelling evidence of the disparate racial impact of drug control policies: the black rate (256.2 per 100,000 black adults) is ten times greater than the white rate (25.3 per 100,000 white adults).[76] Disaggregating these rates by gender reveals that black men were sent to prison on drug charges at 11.8 times the rate of white men and black women are sent to prison on drug charges at 4.8 times the rate of white women. As Table 1 reveals, blacks are sent to prison on drug charges at greater rates than whites in every state for which the data are available.

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I POSTED THE FACTS FROM YOUR OWN LINK THAT DISPROVE YOUR STATEMENT....YOU GAVE THE LINK, AND I COPY AND PASTED IT...DON'T YOU AGREE WITH THE DATA YOU POSTED?  HOW COMPLICATED IS THAT! I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP...I JUST POSTED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE ME ACCESS TO.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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I POSTED THE FACTS FROM YOUR OWN LINK THAT DISPROVE YOUR STATEMENT....YOU GAVE THE LINK, AND I COPY AND PASTED IT...DON'T YOU AGREE WITH THE DATA YOU POSTED?  HOW COMPLICATED IS THAT! I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP...I JUST POSTED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE ME ACCESS TO.


Offer proof that black drug dealers outnumber whites.

Not behind bars.


You haven't proven anything except that you disagree.

Most drug dealers are white.


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I POSTED THE FACTS FROM YOUR OWN LINK THAT DISPROVE YOUR STATEMENT....YOU GAVE THE LINK, AND I COPY AND PASTED IT...DON'T YOU AGREE WITH THE DATA YOU POSTED?  HOW COMPLICATED IS THAT! I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP...I JUST POSTED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE ME ACCESS TO.


You completely ignore pages and pages of data because you found a sentence fragment that appears to dis agree with me.

The quote you posted said black dealers are most often reported.

That is just proof that you ignore proof and jump on crap like your idol Box the logically impaired one.


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Fine, have it your way. Whatever you say...you want to show it that way, go ahead. I don't have time to play your silly games.
i should know better than to try and communciate intelligetnly with you on anything....guess I haven't learned my lesson.
you post the links...they don't support your biased theory, fine!!!!
Have a nice day!


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So with the passage of these new (totally unconstitutional) gun laws, are any gun shops even open today since 80% of thier stock is now illegal because there is no such thing as a '7 round clip'?




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Geeeee..........with all of these new gun laws...........i feel much safer!!!!! NOT!!!

What a bunch of bullsh!t!
What a lie!!
What a deception!!
What a brainwash!!!
What a bunch of brainwashed, stupid, mindless sheople who actually fall for the LIE!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Geeeee..........with all of these new gun laws...........i feel much safer!!!!! NOT!!!

What a bunch of bullsh!t!
What a lie!!
What a deception!!
What a brainwash!!!
What a bunch of brainwashed, stupid, mindless sheople who actually fall for the LIE!!!


The people didn't fall for anything bumble. This was made in a backroom at midnight and rammed through in less than a week, with no public imput and nobody reading the bill.

Even Cuomo said they rammed it through fast so there wouldn't be anytime to make a run to the gun stores and stock up.




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