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thus many lives were put at risk during the operation

While listening to the Watertown/Boston PD scanners last night, I very distinctly heard them say that all personnel were to hold until all the residents in the area were evacuated.
Of specific concern, was a woman and two kids that were in a yellow house, (almost kitty corner to the house with the boat) because they didn't have access to a rear exit.
ALL of the residents in the area were evacuated before it went down.
There was nobody in the nearby homes hiding behind their couch hoping that a bullet wouldn't come through the wall.

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While listening to the Watertown/Boston PD scanners last night, I very distinctly heard them say that all personnel were to hold until all the residents in the area were evacuated.
Of specific concern, was a woman and two kids that were in a yellow house, (almost kitty corner to the house with the boat) because they didn't have access to a rear exit.
ALL of the residents in the area were evacuated before it went down.
There was nobody in the nearby homes hiding behind their couch hoping that a bullet wouldn't come through the wall.

not the same report on live bbc news  -  near for me is 500yds from the target  - location is very flat only feet above sea level - either way 30 plus shots where 1 or 2 would have been all that was needed - the helicopter above was no common police unit

video from a roof top directly across the street clearly shows many muzzle flashes  - meaning the cell phone was way to close and that home was not evacuated

besides 30 shots presents a high risk of death which goes against the plan to take the individual alive - for answers

more care could have been taken - it just doesn't make sense.

Background Checks Save Lives.

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Background checks conducted by federally licensed firearms dealers have prevented more than
two million prohibited purchasers—convicted felons, wife beaters, and other dangerous individuals
—from buying guns.
Additionally, studies show that in the 14 states that currently require background checks
for handgun sales, there are 49 percent fewer gun suicides, 38percent fewer women are
shot to death by an intimate partner and the firearms trafficking rate is 48percent lower.

More than 90% of Americans—and 74% of NRA members
—support universal background checks.

http://www.usnews.com/debate-c.....nd-checks-save-lives

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Background Checks Save Lives.


http://www.usnews.com/debate-c.....nd-checks-save-lives

Correlation does not imply causation.  This is a logical fallacy.

Hmm.  Where in the Constitution does it require background checks?  

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Infringed:
Latin infringere  to break, weaken

(v)to commit a breach or infraction of; violate

I contend that forced background checks, and the possible outcome thereof, weakens or breaks my rights guaranteed to us by our founding fathers.

Which, coincidentally goes along with the 4th Ammendment, The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

Hey look!

Boxy brings back a thread that's been dead for 10 months because he's been getting beat up in the other one.

Oh and the law isn't 'new' anymore.

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Hmm.  Where in the Constitution does it require background checks?  

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Infringed:
Latin infringere  to break, weaken

(v)to commit a breach or infraction of; violate

I contend that forced background checks, and the possible outcome thereof, weakens or breaks my rights guaranteed to us by our founding fathers.

Which, coincidentally goes along with the 4th Ammendment, The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

(A repost)

GunHuggers LOVE TO CITE The 2nd Amendment as their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, then they totally
disregard the US CONSTITUTION when it comes to 'Article 3 of the US Constitution' which deals with
the US SUPREME COURT.

They pick and choose which part of the US Constitution they wish to obey, and which they opt to disregard.

Just in case there are a few GunHuggers here who haven't read the Supreme Court Ruling on the
2nd Amendment, it follows:

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Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner
whatsoever and for whatever purpose .

For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state
analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions
on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of
firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing
conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. (BACKGROUND CHECKS!)
[United States v.] Miller’s holding that the  sorts of weapons protected are those “in common
use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous
and unusual weapons.

What would the Supreme Court say about Prince Andrew granting a waiver allowing his commissioners to carry handguns in NYS Government buildings even though there are CLEAR laws on the books prohibiting such behavior?

The Cuomo administration has obtained a waiver to allow the head of the state Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services to carry a handgun at work.

The required sign-off from a law barring state employees from packing a weapon at their workplace came from the state Office of General Services four days after the Times Union published a story about DHSES Commissioner Jerome M. Hauer using his handgun's laser sighting attachment as a pointer in a meeting with a Swedish delegation.

Cuomo defended Hauer at a news conference Wednesday. The governor said he's comfortable with commissioners carrying weapons to work as long as they have gun permits. He qualified the response by adding "if they are licensed and in that field of work."

Hauer is not a law enforcement officer

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What would the Supreme Court say about Prince Andrew granting a waiver allowing his commissioners to carry handguns in NYS Government buildings even though there are CLEAR laws on the books prohibiting such behavior?

The Cuomo administration has obtained a waiver to allow the head of the state Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services to carry a handgun at work.

According to the TU:
A person in state government familiar with State Facilities Law (Not exactly a reliable source)
said Hauer received a waiver from Office of General Services Commissioner RoAnn
Destito on Jan. 10. She and State Police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico are the only people
authorized to grant such waivers.

the government giveth and the government taketh away....

BECAUSE WE CHOOSE OUR MASTERS....either a 'god' or a government or an addiction etc etc........

we allow a certain amount of infringement....and every infringement is also part of a class separation, which I know Box would have
a hard time seeing and believing.

loosing freedom is because we're gaining fear.

keep your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape.

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According to the TU:
A person in state government familiar with State Facilities Law (Not exactly a reliable source)
said Hauer received a waiver from Office of General Services Commissioner RoAnn
Destito on Jan. 10. She and State Police Superintendent Joseph D'Amico are the only people
authorized to grant such waivers.

The waiver would not have been granted unless it was requested by the Cuomo admin....The waiver was unnecessary....especially when all he appears to want to do is use the laser sight from the gun as a pointer for meetings.....just another example of laws being selectively applied.

An aide to Cuomo promised to look into the matter, while a spokesman for Hauer has said only that
he's "heard rumors" but is unaware of what exactly transpired at the presentation.

When asked about the presentation by the Times Union, Hauer said only, "You have bad sources."

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.

Robert A. Heinlein

The state source was very reliable. The Swedes were shocked that he pointed a gun over their heads. The waiver was granted after the fact, the guy should have been fired. Cuomo is against smoking, unless you are a Cuomo, against guns, unless you are him or a connected crony, against pension padding unless you do it for a connnected crony, then you get a patronage position and a car. Not exactly someone you'd want to emulate.
I haven't noticed a reduction in shootings since the new laws took effect.