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The VA isn't the only ones who won't obey it, anyone who gives a damn about their rights won't obey such a piece of sh*t unconstitutional law.


People keep saying “gun laws are unconstitutional.” In the United States the courts, ultimately
the Supreme Court, decides what laws are constitutional and which aren’t.

So who says these laws are unconstitutional? And if they are, why is no one challenging them in court?


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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People keep saying “gun laws are unconstitutional.” In the United States the courts, ultimately
the Supreme Court, decides what laws are constitutional and which aren’t.

So who says these laws are unconstitutional? And if they are, why is no one challenging them in court?


Its in the works now, either way it will not be obeyed, people know what a sham this was from the start and that is why it was rammed through without any discussion or time for the citizens to contact their reps. Sheriffs are also coming out pretty much saying they won't enforce it either, most of them are gun owners who will be considered criminals for their personal firearms.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Its in the works now, either way it will not be obeyed, people know what a sham this was from the start and that is why it was rammed through without any discussion or time for the citizens to contact their reps. Sheriffs are also coming out pretty much saying they won't enforce it either, most of them are gun owners who will be considered criminals for their personal firearms.


Why would Sheriffs be criminals for their personal firearms???
What do they own now that will become illegal?



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I hear through the grapevine that most of the assault rifles in NYS either were lost or stolen along with the 30 round mags.
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I hear through the grapevine that most of the assault rifles in NYS either were lost or stolen along with the 30 round mags.


     
THE PROBLEM OF LOST AND STOLEN GUNS

Guns stolen from dealers: In 2007, after inspecting just 9.3% of federal firearms licensees
nationwide, ATF reported that more than 30,000 guns in the dealers' inventories had been
lost or stolen.

Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes,
according to poll data on gun-owning households.

Trafficking of stolen guns: ATF reports that over a quarter of its criminal gun trafficking
investigations involve stolen guns.

Federal law requires federally licensed dealers to report guns that they know have been
lost or stolen to law enforcement.

Federal law does not, however, require individual gun owners to report lost or stolen guns.
EXAMPLES OF STATE AND LOCAL RESPONSES

Seven states (Connecticut, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio
and Rhode Island) and the District of Columbia currently require the reporting of
lost and stolen guns to law enforcement. A growing number of other states and local
governments are working to pass similar laws.


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I guess they'll have to change their story to I sold it out of state along with the 30 round mags, anyway you slice it the guns are now gone.
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CAPITAL REGION
Pistol permit requests soaring
Applications up 39% in eight area counties

BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

    Every day, Schoharie County Sheriff Tony Desmond seems to find a new stack of pistol permits piled on his desk.
    Some are from permit holders switching from the county’s old paper license to the new laminated card now being issued. Many more are from new applicants — county residents that have decided to own a handgun.
    Previously, there was a steady trickle of applications, Desmond said, maybe a dozen or so per week. But then Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act was signed into law in mid-January.
    Now Desmond is finding his offi ce inundated with pistol permit applications. His offi ce received 34 applications during the first two weeks of January alone — a spike he blames on gun control legislation.
    “We see people who come through for a permit and the reason they list on their application is ‘it’s my Second Amendment right,’” he said.
    Between 2011 and 2012, Schoharie County saw a 36 percent increase in pistol permit applications, according to figures provided by the state police. And the small rural county wasn’t alone.
    Figures show that all eight counties in the Capital Region had in increase in permit applications last year. Of these, only Rensselaer County was below a double-digit rise.
    Overall, the eight-county area saw a 39 percent jump in pistol permit applications — from 1,519 in 2011 to 2,120 in 2012 — or more than double the increase statewide. Overall, New York saw a 14.2 percent increase in permit applications last year.
    Some Capital Region counties showed dramatic spikes. Fulton County’s permit applications rose from 106 in 2011 to 231 last year — a 117.9 percent increase.
    Schenectady County also saw an appreciable spike. The county processed 282 applications in 2012, reflecting a 74 percent increase over 2011.
SHERIFFS NOT SURPRISED
    “There’s definitely an increase,” said Schenectady County Sheriff Dominic Dagostino. “People probably have a genuine fear about not being able to own handguns and probably taking care of the advantage they have now.”
    Longtime Fulton County Sheriff Tom Lorey wasn’t surprised by the jump, estimating the number of permit applications he’s seen since the passage of the state’s SAFE Act have been “tenfold” over what he saw last year. He said many county residents fear the government encroaching on the rights of gun owners, so they had better arm themselves while they still can.
    “The overall feeling of folks in upstate New York is that the government is clamping down on guns,” he said. “People want to get their permits now before there are no permits.”
    The glut of new permit applications has also caused the time-consuming process of vetting them to bog down in some counties. Pistol permits require the respective sheriff’s department to verify four written character references, take fingerprints of the applicant, then have both the state Department of Criminal Justice Services and state Office of Mental Health run background checks.
    If all the checks are passed, the sheriff then needs to write a letter to the county court judge in support of the application, attaching with it the notarized references. Once the package is completed, the judge can then approve the application.
    Sheriffs are starting to see processing times balloon.
    For instance, Lorey said his offi ce is now taking upward of six months to approve pistol permits in Fulton County, which has a population of roughly 55,000. Prior to last year’s spike, he said the average wait time was a little more than a month.
    “We’ve seen a real increase in the work, especially since the passage of the SAFE Act,” he said. “People waiting for permits have to wait signifi cantly longer.”
    Schoharie County is no different, said Desmond. He’s even assigned an additional deputy to help process them one day each week.
    “If I had someone else, I’d send them to do it every day of the week,” he said. “Being bogged down in this paperwork is taking time.”
PUBLIC NERVOUS
    Some believe the spike can also be attributed to the perception of violence around the country and a fear that law enforcement will not be able to protect citizens. Tom King, the president of the New York State Rifl e & Pistol Association, believes more residents are seeking pistol permits so they can defend themselves.
    “The numbers were rising prior to the SAFE Act,” he said. “A lot of that is due to people being concerned about the violence on the street and looking for ways to protect themselves.”
    Still, King was quick to acknowledge the gun control legislation has helped push pistol permit applications to record levels. He said many people — especially those residing upstate — are worried Cuomo’s gun control law is only the start of the erosion of their constitutional right to bear arms.
    “People are concerned that the SAFE Act is just the beginning,” he said. “Upstaters are very much concerned by that.”
    Gun control advocates identifi ed a different pair of culprits for the spike: The gun lobby and weapons manufacturers.
    Leah Gunn Barrett, the executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, blamed organizations like the National Rifl e Organization for drumming up unwarranted fear over gun control in an effort to spur consumers into a buying frenzy — one that includes handguns.
    “The NRA is very clever,” she said. “They appeal to the base instincts people have — they try to appeal to very base emotions.”
    Barrett the gun lobby, with fi - nancing from manufacturers, is stirring up controversy over the SAFE Act that distorts its true impact on gun ownership. She said the legislation shouldn’t do anything to hamper lawful people from owning guns such as pistols or hunting rifl es.
    “It’s paranoia and for no good reason,” she said. “And yet the NRA is so effective of scaring people.”
    Other advocates suggest the spike in pistol permit applications poses a potentially grim future, regardless of the reason New Yorkers are seeking them. Simply put, more gun owners means more gun violence, said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director of the Violence Policy Center of Washington D.C.
    Sugarmann cited a recent analysis by his organization, which ranked New York as having the fifth lowest rates of gun deaths in the United States. The study, relying on data from the federal Centers for Disease Control, found only 18.1 percent of New York households own a gun. ........................>>>>.....................>>>>....................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00100&AppName=1
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SAFE Act’s passage was government at its worst

    Today’s national political trend of reacting to our problems with misguided blame lacks integrity. Law-abiding gun owners are being blamed for the actions of criminals in the same manner that teachers are being blamed for bad parenting.
    Bad people are difficult to control. If they followed the rules and did their best, they wouldn’t be bad to begin with.
    Regardless, too many politicians like to give the persona that they can solve any problem. Action must be taken, any action, even if it’s not a viable solution. The SAFE Act is the classic non-viable solution: It will not have a signifi cant effect on violence in this state. However, it does have a significant impact on our constitutional rights.
    The New York SAFE Act was passed in the dead of night without due process. Whether you are for or against gun control, the manner in which this legislation was passed should trouble you.
    State Assembly bill A4762 and Senate bill S3498 seek to safeguard our right of due process by limiting the governor’s ability to call for a message of necessity. Speak up for your right of due process before it is too late by asking your legislators to repeal the SAFE Act and support these bills.

    DON STECIAK
    Schenectady

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excellent letter !!!
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VA Won't Follow NY Gun Law, Report Troubled Vets

Mar 12, 2013

ALBANY, N.Y. - The federal Department of Veterans Affairs says its mental health professionals won't comply with a new gun law in New York that requires them to report the names of patients they believe likely to hurt themselves or others.

The reporting provision is set to take effect Saturday.

Several veterans and their advocates say it would deter many from seeking counseling and medications to deal with post-traumatic stress disorder or other psychological issues. Veterans fear their rights would be taken away.

Under the law pushed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, the information would be used to determine whether someone should give up a gun license or weapon.

VA spokesman Mark Ballesteros says federal laws protecting veterans' treatment records take precedence.  http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/03/12/va-wont-follow-ny-gun-law-report-troubled-vets.html


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That's just one more reason not to register your guns.
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We only NEED one party, just like USSR. Just ask JoeBoxer.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Quoted from GrahamBonnet
We only NEED one party, just like USSR. Just ask JoeBoxer.


are you even a human?
let me guess...you were the class clown in school and haven't grown out of it!
your claims of being able to determine my thoughts and speak for me
are amazingly stupid, considering you have not been right 1 time yet.
put your tail between your legs and go home....you'll find someone willing to play with you


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Gov. Andrew Cuomo and legislative leaders are considering changes in New York's new gun control law including eliminating a provision that limits magazines to seven bullets.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver says that's one of several,  mostly "technical" changes to the nation's toughest gun control measure rushed into law in January one month after the Newtown, Conn., shooting.
  
Silver says the leaders are considering the change because seven-bullet magazines aren't manufactured. The standard is 10-bullet magazines.

Silver calls it one of the "inconsistencies" in the law that need to be fixed.




http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s2968839.shtml
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ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Gov. Andrew Cuomo and legislative leaders are considering changes in New York's new gun control law including eliminating a provision that limits magazines to seven bullets.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver says that's one of several,  mostly "technical" changes to the nation's toughest gun control measure rushed into law in January one month after the Newtown, Conn., shooting.
  
Silver says the leaders are considering the change because seven-bullet magazines aren't manufactured. The standard is 10-bullet magazines.

Silver calls it one of the "inconsistencies" in the law that need to be fixed.




http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s2968839.shtml


Well, considering the life threatening urgency, it should be enacted in the next 3 hours.

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