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Libertarian4life
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Is L4LIFE'S POST ACCURATE?
DO SWIMMING POOL ACCIDENTS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN GUNS???
Of course they don't.  But L4Life is trying to convince you that his lie is a fact.


Bzzzzt!

Wrong.

SWIMMING POOL ACCIDENTS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN GUN ACCIDENTS

You can't use people killed by cops or other criminals as an argument for grabbing guns from non cops.
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Bzzzzt!

Wrong.

SWIMMING POOL ACCIDENTS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN GUN ACCIDENTS

You can't use people killed by cops or other criminals as an argument for grabbing guns from non cops.

The number of people killed by gun owning veterans is almost the same as the number killed by criminals.

The number of suicides with a gun is 80% higher than those killed by criminals.

But the SAFE act targets law abiding people's guns.


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LMAO @ L 4 Life. [/size]  He just INVENTS his FACTS!  


You invent new uses of facts, not relevant to the argument.

My statement stands.


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White people kill more people than black people do.

White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2010.

That's 50% more people killed by white guys than the total number of people killed in homicide by whites and blacks combined.

Vets are the most dangerous group in the US.

Not gang bangers.
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From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings

That's approx the same as the number killed accidentally by swimming pools in one year.

Selective fear mongering terrorist.
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BZZZZTTTTTT!  Not taking a stand, just posting info:
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Sunday, April 14, 2013



  
Pro-Gun Lie Number 129: Swimming Pools are More Dangerous for Kids than Guns



CDC

Every day, about ten people die from unintentional drowning. Of these, two are children aged 14 or younger. Drowning ranks fifth among the leading causes of unintentional injury death in the United States.1


Huffington Post

In 2011, guns were used to murder 8,583 people living in the U.S., according to the most recent FBI data available. Among those murdered by guns, there were 565 young people under the age of 18, and 119 children ages 12 or younger -- the latter number nearly equivalent to six Newtown mass shootings. And these figures include only homicides.  

Free Public (quoting CDC)

CDC data show number of accidental firearm deaths for children under age 15 has gone back up to 62, a number that it was at in 2008. The 48 accidental deaths in 2009 was unusually low. A similar pattern also held for total accidental gun deaths for all ages: 2008, 592; 2009, 554; and 2010, 606.  

National Library of Medicine

An estimated 115,131 (95% confidence interval, 76,769-153,493) children and adolescents were treated for a nonfatal gunshot wound during the study period. The estimated annual rates of injury (per 100,000) were 2.0 (children 0-4 years old), 2.2 (children 5-9 years old), 15.4 (children 10-14 years old), and 106.5 (adolescents 15-19 years old). The ratios of nonfatal to fatal firearm-related injuries were 4.0 (children 0-4 years old), 4.4 (children 5-9 years old), 5.0 (children 10-14 years old), and 4.4 (adolescents 15-19 years old). An additional estimated 103,814 children (95% confidence interval, 69,223-138,405) were shot with a nonpowder firearm (BB or pellet gun). Boys 5 to 9 and 10 to 14 years old had the highest rates of injury related to nonpowder firearms, an estimated 36.2 and 99.8 per 100,000, respectively. Fifty-six percent of those 15 to 19 years old were assault victims. An estimated 48% of children and adolescents with powder firearm-related gunshot wounds and an estimated 4% with nonpowder firearm injuries were admitted to the hospital.

The lie is a tricky one because near-drowning injuries are rare and generally don't leave permanent damage.  Non-fatal gun injuries do. So, when the gun-rights fanatic says swimming pools kill more kids than guns, it's a carefully worded trick and not a very fair comparison.  Just ask that kid who's in a wheelchair for the rest of his life due to a spinal gun-shot injury.

Let's take the CDC number. They say for kids under 14, two drown every day.  That's about 700.

The kids in approximately the same age bracket who die from murder (119 in 2011 for 12 and under, so let's say about 150) and so-called accidents (48 in 2009) are about 200.   The National Library of Medicine, quoted above, says the ratio of fatal to non-fatal gun shot incidents is 1:4, which sounds about right.

That means dead kids (200) plus injured kids (200 * 4 = 800) total 1,000

That's swimming pools 700, guns 1,000.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2013/04/pro-gun-lie-number-129-swimming-pools.html


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Why are we comparing Kid pool deaths with kid gun deaths AND injuries? The comparison makes no sense... They claim that the gun lobby is bring tricky, but yet they dismiss non-fatal pool injuries as rare and not important...If they are so rare, lets see the numbers


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Why are we comparing Kid pool deaths with kid gun deaths AND injuries? The comparison makes no sense... They claim that the gun lobby is bring tricky, but yet they dismiss non-fatal pool injuries as rare and not important...If they are so rare, lets see the numbers


Tell it to all the kids with broken neck diving into pools.

https://www.google.com/search?......1.250.0.ThpWoqdH6Rg

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Box made the claim that my post was a lie.

Which side is your article supposed to be supporting?

Swimming pool accidents kill more people than gun accidents.

But no talk of grabbing pools.

Just gun grabbing, fear mongering, lies and distortions.
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    6,500 adolescents a year are brought to the hospital because of diving-related injuries
    64% of injuries happened in inground swimming pools while 36% occurred in above ground pools
    Almost half of these injuries take place during a swimming pool party where alcohol or sometimes drugs are involved.
    80% of injuries occurred in shallow water of 4 feet or 1.2 meters or less




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Quoted from Libertarian4life

You are being totally dishonest.
Post the numbers for accidental gun deaths.


Who is being dishonest???

Here is L4Life's original post:
Quoted from Libertarian4life

Swimming pools accidents kill more people than guns.


L4Life is morphing his quote from
Swimming pools accidents kill more people than guns.
To
Post the numbers for accidental gun deaths.

As I posted above... L4Life is inventing his own FACTS, when the FACTS don't agree with
his posts...
He changes his posts to fit his "new facts"!

Give it up L4 Life... or don't... you can continue to make a total fool of yourself again.
Please continue!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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You are the one comparing accidental swimming deaths to murders.

You can't take a gun from a murderer, because you can't know who will murder.

Murderers will simply use another tool if you take all guns.

Guns don't kill people.

Swimming pools don't kill people.

People's actions using these items kills people.

Taking everyone's guns would not save one life.

It would likely start a war.

But if you want to reduce gun deaths, start with veterans.

They are the worst offenders.

They kill more people than all gang bangers in the country.

You support taking guns from law abiding people.

Knowing full well that a veteran will kill himself every 20 seconds.

At least the SAFE act will slow them down when they have to reload after the first seven shots.

Gun grabbing, hysterical, fear mongering at it's best.



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Who is being dishonest???



You are, gun grabber.

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You are the one comparing accidental swimming deaths to murders.

You can't take a gun from a murderer, because you can't know who will murder.

Murderers will simply use another tool if you take all guns.

Guns don't kill people.

Swimming pools don't kill people.

People's actions using these items kills people.

Taking everyone's guns would not save one life.

It would likely start a war.

But if you want to reduce gun deaths, start with veterans.

They are the worst offenders.

They kill more people than all gang bangers in the country.

You support taking guns from law abiding people.

Knowing full well that a veteran will kill himself every 20 seconds.

At least the SAFE act will slow them down when they have to reload after the first seven shots.

Gun grabbing, hysterical, fear mongering at it's best.

L4Life keeps tap dancin' but it's the same ole tune!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Gun grabbing hyperbole artist.
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