He campaigned on the promise of limiting the power of the Patriot Act, once in he signed the same bill into law again with no provisions protecting privacy, then he goes further and abuses it worse then Bush. The Patriot Act was a big issue to a lot of people and they liked the talk coming from Obama, he told them lies for votes, lies
A political speech is a lie??? What he will attempt to do as a campaigner and what he accomplished as president. IS that it??? Is that your lie?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A political speech is a lie??? What he will attempt to do as a campaigner and what he accomplished as president. IS that it??? Is that your lie?
He signed it back into law without ever even asking the houses to rethink what was in it, he then allowed those under his power to abuse it, yes he is a liar. Everyone here sees it except you, most liberals admit he lied, you on the other hand are to busy working his junk.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
He signed it back into law without ever even asking the houses to rethink what was in it, he then allowed those under his power to abuse it, yes he is a liar. Everyone here sees it except you, most liberals admit he lied, you on the other hand are to busy working his junk.
HUH. You know the innermost thoughts of "MOST LIBERALS"? I could guess but I don't.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A political speech is a lie??? What he will attempt to do as a campaigner and what he accomplished as president. IS that it??? Is that your lie?
He has the power of veto. He has the bully pulpit. Sure, he could have vetoed the reauthorization and risked having congress override the veto. But at least he could have stood by the moral convictions that he claimed to have in 07-08.
So, yes, he did lie. He didn't use the veto pen to limit the wiretapping program. He signed it back into law. If Obama vetoed the reauthorization and there was a congressional override, he could have placed this squarely on the Republicans.
"Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee member" Rand Paul never heard of a govt phone surveillance problem until last week... yet "obscure" Senator Mark Udall of Colorado reported it on the Senate Floor over 2 years ago.
Maybe if Randy was doing his job as a member of Homeland Security and Govt Affairs... he might have asked fellow senator Udall who is not on Homeland Security committee (but knows more than Paul about it).
Well if you understood how committees worked you would understand that Udall is a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence, the Senate committee that is actually IN CHARGE of overseeing the NSA and other federal spy agencies. The Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee has nothing to do with oversight of the spy agencies.
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Overview of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Responsibilities and Activities
Mission: The Committee was created by the Senate in 1976 to “oversee and make continuing studies of the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government,” to “submit to the Senate appropriate proposals for legislation and report to the Senate concerning such intelligence activities and programs,” and to “provide vigilant legislative oversight over the intelligence activities of the United States to assure that such activities are in conformity with the Constitution and laws of the United States.”
Composition: The Committee has 15 Senators: eight from the majority party and seven from the minority. The one-seat majority is dictated by Senate resolution and, unlike most other committees, does not change in proportion with the overall Senate ratio of majority to minority membership. The Committee structure is intended to reflect the nonpartisan nature of intelligence and encourage the Committee to work in a bipartisan manner. By resolution, the 15 SSCI members include two members (one per side) from the Appropriations, Armed Services, Foreign Relations, and Judiciary Committees in order to ensure appropriate coordination with those Committees. The Senate Majority and Minority Leaders and the Chairman and Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee serve as ex officio SSCI members.
Staff: The Committee’s staff reviews intelligence reports, budgets, and activities; investigates matters on behalf of the Committee; prepares legislation; and receives briefings.
Access: While all Senators have access to classified intelligence assessments, access to intelligence sources and methods, programs, and budgets is generally limited to Intelligence Committee members (and to members of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee). By law, the President is required to ensure that the Committee is kept “fully and currently informed” of intelligence activities—meaning that intelligence agencies are required, generally in writing, to notify the Committee of its activities and analysis. This includes keeping the Committee informed of covert actions and any significant intelligence failure.
Yeah...Mark Who...A real household name. How many rallies did he hold speaking out against these government spy programs? Box, you and the rest of America haven't heard of this obscure senator until NOW.
Well if you understood how committees worked you would understand that Udall is a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence, the Senate committee that is actually IN CHARGE of overseeing the NSA and other federal spy agencies.
HUH! First Cicero posts that Senator Mark Udall is "an obscure senator who no one's ever heard of... Then... Udall is practically in charge of spying in the NSA.
It must be great to have such flexibility in your values, that you can reverse in mid sentence without even as much as a blink... Obscure to Superstar in two easy posts! Cissy You're a piece of work!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
HUH! First Cicero posts that Senator Mark Udall is "an obscure senator who no one's ever heard of... Then... Udall is practically in charge of spying in the NSA.
It must be great to have such flexibility in your values, that you can reverse in mid sentence without even as much as a blink... Obscure to Superstar in two easy posts! Cissy You're a piece of work!
When did I make him a superstar? I said he was on a committee that was privileged to the NSA data mining program, Rand Paul is not. Is that hard to understand?
Put Udall on a nation poll, he won't register more than 2%, or whatever the population of Utah is. He is not a household name outside of Utah.
Man box, give up defending the indefensible. The senate select committee on intelligence is headed by Feinstein. Udall couldn't even influence members of his own party to disclose the domestic spy program to the public, you think he inspired the NSA whistleblower? Come on...
When did I make him a superstar? I said he was on a committee that was privileged to the NSA data mining program, Rand Paul is not. Is that hard to understand?
Put Udall on a nation poll, he won't register more than 2%, or whatever the population of Utah is. He is not a household name outside of Utah.
There are lots of people in the USA who are "Household Names"... Being infamous has little to do with being factual. See Below:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The NSA has been involved in a legal data-mining operation for almost a decade. Its legality was clarified in the renewal of the Patriot Act. It has been described, incorrectly, as electronic eavesdropping. What is really happening is that phone and internet records are being scanned for patterns that might illuminate terrorist networks. If there is a need to actually eavesdrop, the government has to go to the FISA court for permission.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I remember here was even an episode on Gilligan's Island- the professor was intercepting messages way back then
LOL!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Obama administration officials held 22 separate briefings or meetings for members of Congress on the law that has been used to justify the National Security Agency's controversial email monitoring program, according to data provided by a senior administration official.
According to the official, the sessions that took place over the course of 14 months starting in October 2011 touched on Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act, which gives the attorney general and director of national intelligence the authority to gather intelligence on non-U.S. citizens for up to one year.
10/19/11: Meeting with Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Staff 1/10/12: House Judiciary Committee Staff Briefings (majority and minority separately briefed) 1/11/12: Senate Judiciary Committee Staff Briefings (majority and minority separately briefed) 3/5/12: Meeting with Nancy Pelosi 3/8/12: Meeting with Harry Reid Staff 3/15/12: Law Briefing for Senate Judiciary Committee staff 3/15/12: Briefing for Senate Leadership Staff 3/21/12: Meeting with Mitch McConnell Staff 3/23/12: Senate Judiciary Committee Staff Briefing at NSA 3/27/12: Meeting with Jim Langevin 3/28/12: Meeting with Jan Schakowsky 3/29/12: Thompson Meeting* 3/29/12: Sens. Ron Wyden and Mark Udall Meeting 4/10/12: Senate Judiciary Committee Staff Briefing (in Virginia) 4/20/12: Senate Judiciary Committee Staff Briefing at FBI 5/4/12: Senate Judiciary Committee Staff Briefing 5/31/12: House Judiciary Committee FAA Hearing (unclassified) 6/7/12: House Judiciary Committee MEMBER Briefing (classified) 6/11/12: Meeting with Patrick Leahy Staff 6/21/12: House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Hearing (classified) 7/18/12: Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse/Richard Blumenthal Meeting 12/10/12: Akaka Meeting
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
excuse me- was the government doing something illegal ? they had warrants and court approval to make all of the requests that they did. This pseudo whistle blowers Karma is probably pretty jacked right now,and i wouldn't want to be him and he did me no favors. - he isnt even a real whistle blower ( report something illegal .)
They are getting these broad dragnet warrants from the FISA court. Do you know what FISA means? Foreign Inteligence Surveillance Act. Are you a foreigner? The court is designed to issue warrants(in secret) for foreign surveillance and is issuing them for domestic spying. But I'm sure you will wait for some "official" to tell you it's "legal".
The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court FISA court, is a U.S. federal court authorized under 50 U.S.C. § 1803, Pub.L. 95–511, 92 Stat. 1788, enacted October 25, 1978. It was established by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA).
The court oversees requests for surveillance warrants against suspected foreign intelligence agents inside the United States by federal law enforcement agencies..
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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Maybe if Randy was doing his job as a member of Homeland Security and Govt Affairs... he might
You're a piece of work! 
