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Box A Rox
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If this is true, and this is legal, why is Diane Feinstein calling Snowden's actions treason?  That would imply that she views that making Americans aware of this legal data mining is aiding the enemy - the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


For the same reason that Boner called him a traitor.

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House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) didn't mince words Tuesday when offering his
assessment of 29-year-old National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

“He’s a traitor,” Boehner said in an interview with ABC. “The disclosure of this information
puts Americans at risk.  It shows our adversaries what our capabilities are.  And it’s a giant
violation of the law.”


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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white wash.....sitting in a diner with a few friends talking about our private lives...police officer sitting in next booth
writing down your conversation and filing it is OK?

your definition of unprotected means you agree that the ONLY protection you ever deserve as a human being is that
which a fellow human, set above yourself can legislate and call your worth/value/protection....

WOW!

JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ILLEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT WRONG

what makes you a valuable human being? only that which is legislated to give you value/rights?



Nobody is buying boxes arguments don't worry.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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white wash.....sitting in a diner with a few friends talking about our private lives...police officer sitting in next booth
writing down your conversation and filing it is OK?

your definition of unprotected means you agree that the ONLY protection you ever deserve as a human being is that
which a fellow human, set above yourself can legislate and call your worth/value/protection....

WOW!

JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS LEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ILLEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT WRONG

what makes you a valuable human being? only that which is legislated to give you value/rights?


BTW...an invalid answer such as "if I'm not doing anything wrong/illegal" doesn't count


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Yup there it is again, box trying to turn this into a left right issue, he knows unity is not good for his cause so expect to see him try even harder to divide.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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For the same reason that Boner called him a traitor.



Traitor is different than treason.  MUCH DIFFERENT!

Betraying trust of his duty is not the same as being accused of aiding an enemy.


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Traitor is different than treason.  MUCH DIFFERENT!


traitor  
1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.

treason
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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a traitor doesn't always commit treason

just like guns don't kill

box can't differentiate between character/action or inanimate/animate


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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a traitor doesn't always commit treason

just like guns don't kill

box can't differentiate between character/action or inanimate/animate


Senders.  I just posted the definition which I agree with.  Your comments, like most, are
irreverent.


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traitor  
1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.

treason
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.


Good Job!  Now you know the difference!  Feinstein is calling informing the American people of what you consider "legal" data mining as a treasonous act.  My God!  How can you continue to attempt to justify the words of these tyrants?  First you are defending the program as legal, now you are defending Feinstein calling it treason.  Telling the American people they are collecting their electronic communications is now treason - amazing!


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Senders.  I just posted the definition which I agree with.  Your comments, like most, are
irreverent.


you ignored my question to you.

you agree with gun control for 'safety' so it stands that you agree to the actions of NSA for 'safety'....
therefore you believe that humans deserve another human to tell them their value/freedom/relevance etc....

you believe in PRE-CRIME, inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch

oh LOOK, those 12 inches typed in one line, which could be a line of words in a legislated law, hence, give them
an inch and there goes the F'EN foot.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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trai·tor noun \ˈtrā-tər\

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Definition of TRAITOR

1
: one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2
: one who commits treason
See traitor defined for English-language learners »
See traitor defined for kids »
Examples of TRAITOR

She has been called a traitor to the liberal party's cause.
He was a traitor who betrayed his country by selling military secrets to the enemy.



my question is, who was the enemy??????????????????????????????????????????

you can't have treason without an enemy, there are a few choices here

1. media
2. american plebs
3. political party(libertarian, dems, reps etc)

who is the enemy? who isn't supposed to know?

a traitor can exist in a marriage, but is it treason?


trea·son noun \ˈtrē-zən\

Definition of TREASON

1
: the betrayal of a trust : treachery
2
: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
See treason defined for English-language learners »
See treason defined for kids »
Examples of TREASON
He is guilty of treason.
reading a friend's diary without permission would have to be regarded as the ultimate act of personal treason

according to this the government read American's diaries?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Good Job!  Now you know the difference!  Feinstein is calling informing the American people of what you consider "legal" data mining as a treasonous act.  My God!  How can you continue to attempt to justify the words of these tyrants?  First you are defending the program as legal, now you are defending Feinstein calling it treason.  Telling the American people they are collecting their electronic communications is now treason - amazing!


Cicero's convoluted logic is running away with him again.

Can Feinstein be right in calling a whistle blower's actions 'treasonous'? Yes.
Can the data mining program be 'legal'? Yes.

Cissy has a problem with logic.  In his mind these two statements can't co exist.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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you ignored my question to you.

you agree with gun control for 'safety' so it stands that you agree to the actions of NSA for 'safety'....
therefore you believe that humans deserve another human to tell them their value/freedom/relevance etc....

you believe in PRE-CRIME, inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch by inch

oh LOOK, those 12 inches typed in one line, which could be a line of words in a legislated law, hence, give them
an inch and there goes the F'EN foot.....


Senders is right about one thing... I DO IGNORE HIS STATEMENTS!  

"you agree with gun control for 'safety' so it stands that you agree to the actions of NSA for 'safety'....
therefore you believe that humans deserve another human to tell them their value/freedom/relevance etc...."


Now look up the definition of "straw man".






The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Senders is right about one thing... I DO IGNORE HIS STATEMENTS!  

"you agree with gun control for 'safety' so it stands that you agree to the actions of NSA for 'safety'....
therefore you believe that humans deserve another human to tell them their value/freedom/relevance etc...."


Now look up the definition of "straw man".







I was just following your character lead....you know, regulating your answers because according to you that's OK


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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