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Stating a fact -- that there were Germans during the Hitler-era who believed that some persons
(Jews, Gays, Poles, Gypsies, etc)  were NOT fully human   -- is just that stating a fact.    This was the
argument used to justify the various restrictive laws and,eventually, to the shipping off of these
persons to concentration camps.

This is the same argument used to condone slavery and later the Jim Crow laws in our country.

This is the same argument used to condone putting American Indians on reservations.

and for almost 40 years -- it was the same argument used by the Pro-Abortion crowd.   In every
instance that I am aware of the fetus -- if left in the womb -- will grow large enough to leave the
womb as a human baby and then eventually into a full grown human.      
In all my years of reading and studying, I have NOT heard of a single example of a fetus growing into
a cabbage .. or a horse ,, or  something other than a human person

So if the Pro Abortion crowd wants to be BOTH intellectually and scientifically honest -- they should
admit that THE FETUS IS A FORM OF HUMAN LIFE.


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So if the Pro Abortion crowd wants to be BOTH intellectually and scientifically honest -- they should
admit that THE FETUS IS A FORM OF HUMAN LIFE.


A form of human life... yes I suppose it is the beginning of a human life.  

This "Form Of Human Life" is no more than a very small clump of cells, but just like an appendix, a fingernail, or a kidney, they are all human.

The Zygote is no more a human being, than an egg is a chicken... the egg and the chicken are both poultry, but  no one would call an egg a chicken or a chicken an egg... they are quite different...
as are a human zygote and a human being.









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This "Form Of Human Life" is no more than a very small clump of cells, but just like an appendix, a fingernail, or a kidney, they are all human.

Last I knew....a small clump of cells, such as an appendix, a fingernail or a kidney does not and can not grow into a beating heart human being that will talk, think, pray, procreate, work, love, hate, cry and laugh.........correct?


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Last I knew....a small clump of cells, such as an appendix, a fingernail or a kidney does not and can not grow into a beating heart human being that will talk, think, pray, procreate, work, love, hate, cry and laugh.........correct?

YUP, You're correct.  The small clump of cells known as a zygote can and often does eventually grow into a Human Being.
BUT
It ISN'T a human being, it's a human zygote.

An Egg often grows into a Chicken, but an Egg ISN'T a Chicken.  

Calling a human zygote a human being is just as inaccurate as calling an Egg a Chicken.


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It certainly isn't a puppy.
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The Zygote is no more a human being, than an egg is a chicken... the egg and the chicken are both poultry, but  no one would call an egg a chicken or a chicken an egg... they are quite different...
as are a human zygote and a human being.


Did you just compare humans to chickens?

Planned Parenthood should hold breakfast fundraisers.  They could serve pancakes and zygotes made to order.  Scrambled zygote, sunnyside up zygotes, zygotes over easy, or my favorite zygotes benedict.  All a delicious and protein rich start to the day.  

9 out of 10 abortionist agree, zygotes are part of a healthy balanced breakfast.


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A form of human life... yes I suppose it is the beginning of a human life.  

This "Form Of Human Life" is no more than a very small clump of cells, but just like an appendix, a fingernail, or a kidney, they are all human.

The Zygote is no more a human being, than an egg is a chicken... the egg and the chicken are both poultry, but  no one would call an egg a chicken or a chicken an egg... they are quite different...
as are a human zygote and a human being.

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Why do you dispute the obvious?    Since a fetus has NEVER developed into anything but a human being --
it is a human being.  
Again,  the Pro-Abortion side is trying to obfuscate the issue by denying a logical and scientifically proven
fact.    What do you fear from accepting this logical and scientifically proven fact ?    
My guess is that IF you admitted that it was a human being than you would fear that someday a legislative
body would pass a "Definition of Human Life" statute .. defining human life as beginning at the point of
conception.  


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Why do you dispute the obvious?    Since a fetus has NEVER developed into anything but a human being --
it is a human being.  
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OK... In DVoR's world there are creatures that look like a little microscopic clump of cells (what we would call a human zygote) but in DVoR's world, they are called human beings.  They have the same rights as humans and the same responsibilities...
They can drive cars, they can vote, they must pay taxes, and they cannot be killed because they are (in his world) humans.
I'm not sure if they can be drafted into the military, (since they have no arms, no legs, no eyes, no heart, no brain) but probably.

In our world, there are zygotes that may some day be a human being, and there are human beings.  Two very different things.



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Did you just compare humans to chickens?



No Cicero,
I compared zygotes to humans,
and,
I compared eggs to chickens.

If you can't tell the difference between an Egg and a Chicken... Please don't cook any.  



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OK... In DVoR's world there are creatures that look like a little microscopic clump of cells (what we would call a human zygote) but in DVoR's world, they are called human beings.  They have the same rights as humans and the same responsibilities...
They can drive cars, they can vote, they must pay taxes, and they cannot be killed because they are (in his world) humans.
I'm not sure if they can be drafted into the military, (since they have no arms, no legs, no eyes, no heart, no brain) but probably.

In our world, there are zygotes that may some day be a human being, and there are human beings.  Two very different things.



You are really taking my words too far ... I would agree that a fetus has the same Right to Life as any other
human being.      I am willing to wait until the fetus develops into a 16 year old before it can drive a car ..
and an 18 year old before it can vote and be drafted.


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DVOR... If there were a law against killing chickens... would I be guilty of killing chickens if I made an omelet?  You seem to think so.

A man's sperm and a woman's egg are all human... but they are not human beings.  They may eventually be human beings but they are not human beings.  
If I took a petri dish containing human male sperm and human female eggs and destroyed them... did I kill a Human Being???
  They have the potential to be a human being, and sometimes the content of that petri dish WILL become a human being, but they are not now and possibly may never be a human being.
  It's all human tissue but not a human being.


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Did you just compare humans to chickens?

Planned Parenthood should hold breakfast fundraisers.  They could serve pancakes and zygotes made to order.  Scrambled zygote, sunnyside up zygotes, zygotes over easy, or my favorite zygotes benedict.  All a delicious and protein rich start to the day.  

9 out of 10 abortionist agree, zygotes are part of a healthy balanced breakfast.


Well this is about the funniest thing I ever read!!!!!

I will never view breakfast the same again!!!!


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No Cicero,
I compared zygotes to humans,
and,
I compared eggs to chickens.

If you can't tell the difference between an Egg and a Chicken... Please don't cook any.  



Yes you did compare humans to chickens. You are obviously trying to place a human and a chicken in the SAME category!! Abortionists and pro-death activists usually do!! It's easier to  accept and sell that way!!
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Calling a human zygote a human being is just as inaccurate as calling an Egg a Chicken.



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Yeah it's too bad you and Cis have ended up with zygote on your face.
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DVOR... If there were a law against killing chickens... would I be guilty of killing chickens if I made an omelet?  You seem to think so.

A man's sperm and a woman's egg are all human... but they are not human beings.  They may eventually be human beings but they are not human beings.  
If I took a petri dish containing human male sperm and human female eggs and destroyed them... did I kill a Human Being???
  They have the potential to be a human being, and sometimes the content of that petri dish WILL become a human being, but they are not now and possibly may never be a human being.
  It's all human tissue but not a human being.


separately a man's sperm and a woman's egg are not human life ... together (when the sperm has
fertilized the egg)  they are a human life

So if there was a law that defined human life as beginning at conception -- then it would be against the law
to kill a that life.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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