To many people, the flag just symbolizes southern pride. As L4L has illustrated, symbols mean different things to different people. This is why it is dangerous to try to ban symbols by mob rule, we are really talking about deciding what people are allowed to think or feel. I certainly learned about Jefferson Davis in school. The people visiting the battlefields are just as likely to be tourists as natives.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
“It’s true a flag did not cause these murders. But as people from all walks of life now acknowledge…the flag has always represented more than just ancestral pride. For many, black and white, that flag was a reminder of systemic oppression and racial subjugation. We see that now. Removing the flag from this state’s capitol would not be an act of political correctness. It would not be an insult to the valor of Confederate soldiers. It would simply be an acknowledgment that the cause for which they fought—the cause of slavery—was wrong.”
President Barack Hussein Obama
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It would not be an insult to the valor of Confederate soldiers. It would simply be an acknowledgment that the cause for which they fought—the cause of slavery—was wrong.”
It's not the cause they fought for. They were defending themselves from the norther aggressors. The confederate states did not attack the north, they did not try to spread slavery to northern states. They seceded from the union. A very small minority of those living in the southern states even owned slaves.
Obama spreading the public school history lesson of lies.
Hey Barack, don't forget to tell everybody the American Flag is a symbol of genocide against the Native Americans. That at least would be an accurate historical fact.
It's not the cause they fought for. They were defending themselves from the norther aggressors.
Yes Cissy... We know that is your view of the world. And the USA was defending South VietNam from it's Northern Aggressors.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It's not the cause they fought for. They were defending themselves from the norther aggressors. The confederate states did not attack the north, they did not try to spread slavery to northern states.
In late 1860 and early 1861, South Carolina and other southern states withdrew from the Union. They formed a new nation called the Confederate States of America.
But Abraham Lincoln, the president of the United States, said the southern states did not have right to secede. And he said he would not accept the South’s demand to remove U.S. soldiers from South Carolina. The soldiers defended a base in Charleston Harbor called Fort Sumter.
So, Confederate leaders ordered an attack. Just before sunrise on April 12, 1861, a shell exploded above Fort Sumter. It was the first shot fired in the American Civil War
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Let me guess, north Vietnam fought with south Vietnam over slavery too. You were there to free the slaves.
The U.S. Government was in Vietnam for profit and power, just like every war they wage, including the war against the confederacy.
So... you are the only one allowed to make up FACTS about history???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
In late 1860 and early 1861, South Carolina and other southern states withdrew from the Union. They formed a new nation called the Confederate States of America.
But Abraham Lincoln, the president of the United States, said the southern states did not have right to secede. And he said he would not accept the South’s demand to remove U.S. soldiers from South Carolina. The soldiers defended a base in Charleston Harbor called Fort Sumter.
So, Confederate leaders ordered an attack. Just before sunrise on April 12, 1861, a shell exploded above Fort Sumter. It was the first shot fired in the American Civil War
You just referenced Lincoln's refusal to remove soldiers from SC and belief they had no right to secede. So which is it? Is the civil war over slavery, or Lincoln's belief the southern states had no right to secede? Did Lincoln believe they didn't have the right to secede because slavery was legal in those states? If the confederate states outlawed slavery, then Lincoln would have withdrawn the federal troops and allowed the confederacy to peacefully secede? I doubt it...
It's not the cause they fought for. They were defending themselves from the norther aggressors. The confederate states did not attack the north, they did not try to spread slavery to northern states. They seceded from the union. A very small minority of those living in the southern states even owned slaves.
Cissy contends that the South fought for "freedom", not "slavery".
The vice president of the Confederation, Alexander Stephens, disagrees. He quite clearly states in his "cornerstone speech" that the reason for the Civil War is SLAVERY.
Stephens' speech declared that African slavery was the "immediate cause" of secession, and that the Confederate Constitution had put to rest the "agitating questions" as to the "proper status of the negro in our form of civilization".
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The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell." Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. . . . look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgement of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's law.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
In defense of Confederate flag, frequent Fox News guest claims Civil War wasn't about slavery
"The Civil War wasn't about slavery." — Gavin McInnes on Tuesday, June 23rd, 2015
Fact Check: McInnes said that the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. In the words of the seceding states themselves, the South wanted to secede because it wanted to preserve slavery. That, in turn, started the Civil War. Tampa Bay Times http://www.politifact.com/pund.....cession-not-slavery/
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Let me guess. Lincoln's own words will not really mean the North's war of aggression was about preserving the Union and preventing secession.
Quoted Text
A LETTER FROM PRESIDENT LINCOLN.; Reply to Horace Greeley. Slavery and the Union The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object.
Executive Mansion, Washington, August 22, 1862.
Hon. Horace Greeley: Dear Sir.
I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.
As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.
WOW! Cicero and I agree!!! (You won't often see me posting that!)
Lincoln's aim was to preserve the union, not to end slavery. WE AGREE.
The South's aim was to secede for the purpose of keeping slavery in the South.
Cissy Speaks:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
WOW! Cicero and I agree!!! (You won't often see me posting that!)
Lincoln's aim was to preserve the union, not to end slavery. WE AGREE.
The South's aim was to secede for the purpose of keeping slavery in the South.
Wait...you said it was war was waged against the south to free the slave. Lincoln never said that. Lincoln didn't care about freeing slaves or anything else. His mission was to preserve the Union by force.
Finally, you get it! The confederate flag is a symbol of rebellion against the Federal Government. Lincoln didn't care about slavery, his objective was to maintain control over the south.
WOW! Cicero and I agree!!! (You won't often see me posting that!)
Lincoln's aim was to preserve the union, not to end slavery. WE AGREE.
The South's aim was to secede for the purpose of keeping slavery in the South.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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