Peaceful protests have led to voting rights for blacks AND women. Ill conceived or not, peaceful protests led to the great Society programs. Peaceful protests contributed significantly to the change in public perception of the Vietnam war.
There is a lot more to the situation of urban blacks than just "targeted" incarceration. The flight of black fathers, the young black females that are mothers before they can vote, drink, or smoke legally...the societal factors can't be ignored. Statistics show that a TWO PARENT black household w/ children have above/below poverty rates comparable (lower, but not by much) than other race groups. And most of those two parent black households ARE middle class.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
yeah, yeah, the Occupy movement is going to change everything... how did that work out?
The protests are not growing in any significant number, are they better covered? sure, because the media knows people don't want or understand real news, so they'll give them the Jerry Springer/CSI version of it. One thing I do see for sure is a more socialist US, as more demand more from the gov't
Committed no crime??? Let's see, Michael Brown just strong armed a convenience store and at the very least resisted arrest, Freddie Grey was selling illegal handguns, Walter Scott ran from Police and had a bench warrant out fornon payment of child support...The common thread here? All above did not cooperate and essentially resisted arrest... Chris Rock said it well years ago.
Now, should the police have used deadly force in those situations? maybe, maybe not...but where the personal responsibility lie? Doesn't self-preservation play a part? I liken it to the pedestrian who gets hit by a car driver and could have avoided being hit by turning their head and looking both ways...Is the car driver at fault? sure...but who cares? the pedestrian is just as dead...
Blah blah targeted killings, beatings and stolen lives.
Do you really want that type of change? Libya is such a mess that people would rather die on a raft than stay there. Egypt isn't far behind. And there's Syria..yup, sign me up for the result of violent protest changes.
There was a time when violent protest did result in change in the US.. about 160 years ago, that time has passed.
The U.S. Government sends weapons and profit off of that type of change. The USG participated in that change.
Blah blah targeted killings, beatings and stolen lives.
I thought so...facts tend to do that.. go back to reading your John Birch Society stuff.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
can't you READ??? From my post "There is a lot more to the situation of urban blacks than just "targeted" incarceration. " That doesn't appear to be blaming everything other than the government. The facts are what they are, you have urban fathers that fly the coop when the baby comes...no equalization of schools or police are going to fix that.
The race card??? This is what the demonstrations in Baltimore are all about!!! Race, and how the police and/or gov't treat races differently...
The people of Baltimore don't want the Police? Pull them out... but before you do, take a look at video of the LA riots..because that is what you will get.
You just said peaceful protest gave blacks, and women voting right. Are you suggesting that with their newly granted rights they screamed for politicians to enact laws that resulted in the incarceration of black Americans at a higher rate than prior to the civil rights act?
This isn't a black and white issue. The incarceration rate went up across the board for all races. This is a poverty issue. Poor whites get treated the same as other poor races. Poor people can't afford a decent defense. There is a "stop and frisk" policy in NYC, where mostly black and brown men are stopped without any reasonable suspicion excepte for being black and walking in a poor neighborhood.
I thought so...facts tend to do that.. go back to reading your John Birch Society stuff.
"John Birch Society stuff"
From jbs.org:
Core Principles Mission
To bring about less government, more responsibility, and — with God's help — a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and Constitutional principles. Preserving Individual Rights & National Independence "These United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States … We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." — Declaration of Independence, 1776
The Declaration of Independence established the independence of both the original 13 American colonies and the United States of America that they together formed a decade later.
The Declaration proclaimed that our personal rights come from God, not from government.
The John Birch Society endorses the timeless principles of the Declaration of Independence. The Society also labors to warn against and expose the forces that seek to abolish U.S. independence, build a world government, or otherwise undermine our personal liberties and national independence.
The ConstitutionRestoring the Constitution "That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed." — Declaration of Independence, 1776
The Constitution of the United States of America instituted the government that secures our God-given rights.
The John Birch Society endorses the U.S. Constitution as the foundation of our national government, and works toward educating and activating Americans to abide by the original intent of the Founding Fathers. We seek to awaken a sleeping and apathetic people concerning the designs of those who are working to destroy our constitutional Republic.
I realize that you meant John Birch Society as an insult, but exactly how is an anti-communism group something to be used as an insult?
Comrade.
Because they are loony....My first exposure to them was while I was doing a college paper on the JFK assassination. Their "investigation" concluded 10+ bullets were fired in six seconds from the three different locations...All they went on was "enhanced" photographs and wild hypothesis... Not a single warren commission witness ever stated more than five shots.... their conclusions were laughable....I still have their "report" in my file cabinet
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
To bring about less government, more responsibility... Preserving Individual Rights & National Independence "These United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States … We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." — Declaration of Independence, 1776
The Declaration proclaimed that our personal rights come from God, not from government.
The John Birch Society endorses the timeless principles of the Declaration of Independence. The Society also labors to warn against and expose the forces that seek to abolish U.S. independence, build a world government, or otherwise undermine our personal liberties and national independence.
Restoring the Constitution "That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed." — Declaration of Independence, 1776
The Constitution of the United States of America instituted the government that secures our God-given rights.
The John Birch Society endorses the U.S. Constitution as the foundation of our national government, and works toward educating and activating Americans to abide by the original intent of the Founding Fathers. We seek to awaken a sleeping and apathetic people concerning the designs of those who are working to destroy our constitutional Republic.
You just said peaceful protest gave blacks, and women voting right. Are you suggesting that with their newly granted rights they screamed for politicians to enact laws that resulted in the incarceration of black Americans at a higher rate than prior to the civil rights act?
This isn't a black and white issue. The incarceration rate went up across the board for all races. This is a poverty issue. Poor whites get treated the same as other poor races. Poor people can't afford a decent defense. There is a "stop and frisk" policy in NYC, where mostly black and brown men are stopped without any reasonable suspicion excepte for being black and walking in a poor neighborhood.
No, you're suggesting I did... Poverty is the issue, and with Poverty brings increased crime, but that does not justify the committing of these crimes....Poverty does NOT absolve you of personal responsibility or of being law abiding. It also doesn't absolve you of avoiding things to would make your precarious position even worse..i.e. having kids you can't afford...I think its proper the gov't step in to help that along.
I disagree that poor whites get treated then same...I hate to say it, but most suburban whites will get more nervous when two black teens are walking toward them on the sidewalk than two white teens, that's just an example.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Because they are loony....My first exposure to them was while I was doing a college paper on the JFK assassination. Their "investigation" concluded 10+ bullets were fired in six seconds from the three different locations...All they went on was "enhanced" photographs and wild hypothesis... Not a single warren commission witness ever stated more than five shots.... their conclusions were laughable....I still have their "report" in my file cabinet
So you base your opinion of them on there hypothesis of the JFK assassination?
The one where the entire investigation is still secret and locked away from the public for national security reasons?
Now pay close attention here.
You base your opinion of them, on a still as yet determined event, that threatens national security if the truth were to be let out?
You don't see a flaw in your argument?
A government whose powers are given by the people, instead of a government who gives and takes away rights every day?
Somehow you feel that the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are tools of anti government fanatics?
When box was dropped on his head as a child, I believe he landed on your head.
The right to not be ordered to stop or die on the street at any moment.
This is an atrocity.
Yet you feel compelled to side against those seeking to use the Constitution for good and fairness, instead of declaring people who support the Constitution as whackos.
I disagree that poor whites get treated then same...I hate to say it, but most suburban whites will get more nervous when two black teens are walking toward them on the sidewalk than two white teens, that's just an example.
He is surely talking about treatment by the police, not by white people.
Poor whites get abused and killed all the time by police, if they live in the targeted areas.
Because they are loony....My first exposure to them was while I was doing a college paper on the JFK assassination. Their "investigation" concluded 10+ bullets were fired in six seconds from the three different locations...All they went on was "enhanced" photographs and wild hypothesis... Not a single warren commission witness ever stated more than five shots.... their conclusions were laughable....I still have their "report" in my file cabinet
Having a different theory of an unknown event doesn't make someone looney.
Until the secrets are divulged, their hypothesis is as valid as any.
Gov Almighty would love nothing better than to make this a 'race' issue. Divide and conquer.....that's it ... right? This government...dem or rep....has always been about the rich and special interest groups and campaign contributions. Screw the rest of the folks. People all over the world are fed up with their governments.....especially the imperialist government...the great u.s. of a!! Folks have smartened up. Oh it won't happen over night....but a-change is-a-comin'. Gov Almighty is trying their damned-ist to keep many folks at poverty or below to control them.....ain't workin' is it!!!
Listen....all you the folks who have jobs, live in a decent house/apt, have enough money for food and clothing and shelter....LOOK BEYOND YOURSELF!!! Government has gotten OUT OF CONTROL.....and folks are quickly and tirelessly waking up to that fact.
How many parents out there are fighting the government school system? It's growing daily!!
'winter's coming'.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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