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joebxr
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Don't mess with Mom!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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interesting and ambiguous.....



Yes, it was a typo.  It was supposed to say wouldn't. I didn't catch it until after the time you can edit the post.  So I'll reiterate - WOULDNT look at it as an investment.


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Who does she think she is physically abusing a young black teen?  A police officer?


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Who does she think she is physically abusing a young black teen?  A police officer?

Yes, of course you would look at it as abusing someone.
Not viewing an angry concerned and upset mother seeing her son doing a crime and not
acting as she has raised him.


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Yes, it was a typo.  It was supposed to say wouldn't. I didn't catch it until after the time you can edit the post.  So I'll reiterate - WOULDNT look at it as an investment.

Yes, I know...you have your own dictionary!


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Obviously, it is a tragedy that the young man died in police custody.  It goes without saying that a complete and thorough investigation is necessary to establish all of the facts and for justice to be rendered if it is determined that the police were culpable or negligent.

Having said that -- the lawlessness and riots are completely unnecessary and counterproductive.  It is hurting the residents of these inner-city neighborhoods.  It will take years to undo the damage.

As a one-time resident of the city, I am saddened to see Baltimore burning.

It seems obvious that the Mayor of Baltimore made a hug mistake in "giving them room to destroy things" and insisting that the police stand-down while the city burned.

It puzzles me that Obama wouldn't try to use his influence (presuming he has any) to calm the anger in the Black community.  He has done nothing in his presidency to address inner city problems.  His adopted home town of Chicago has become a basket case in the past 6 years.  Now Baltimore is headed in that direction.  I can only think that due to his privileged upbringing (raised by wealthy grandparents, attending one of the most prestigious private high schools in the world, his rich lifestyle bankrolled by Chicago's slimiest characters,etc.) has not allowed Obama to really understand the plight and feelings of most Black Americans living in the inner city.  


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Hector Morejon, Unarmed Teen Shot, Killed By Police, Cried For His Mother: 'Mommy, Mommy, Please Come'
Posted: 04/28/2015 6:05 pm EDT Updated: 04/29/2015 11:59 am EDT
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Lucia Morejon cannot escape the haunting memory she has of the final desperate words spoken to her by her teenage son after he was shot by police: "Mommy, Mommy, please come, please come."

Hector Morejon, the youngest of five children, made that plea for help after he was shot by a Long Beach, California, police officer, who allegedly thought the 19-year-old was in possession of a firearm Thursday afternoon.

The teen, who Lucia Morejon's attorney says was unarmed, directed the cries for help toward his mother when she saw him in an ambulance directly after the shooting.

His final words to his mother came, the attorney alleges, after police denied Lucia Morejon access to her son before the ambulance drove away.

"He was reaching for her -- reaching out to her for help," lawyer Sonia Mercado told The Huffington Post. "She identified herself as his mother, expecting to ride with him to the hospital, but they refused to let her in."

The chilling words -- "Mommy, Mommy, please come, please come" -- are the same words Lucia Morejon hears when she closes her eyes today, five days after her son's death, Mercado said.

"It’s a tough thing to live with as a parent," said Mercado.

Mercado said Lucia Morejon is so distraught by her son's death that she is unable to speak about it and has asked Mercado and her associate, R. Samuel Paz, to speak on her behalf.

"She is deeply in shock," Mercado said.

According to the Long Beach Police Department, the shooting occurred after officers were dispatched to a vacant residence in the 1100 block of Hoffman Avenue on Thursday, to investigate a report of trespassing and vandalism.

When the officers arrived, they allegedly looked through an open window and saw Hector Morejon standing inside the residence.

"The officer observed [Morejon] turn towards him, while bending his knees, and extending his arm out as if pointing an object which the officer perceived was a gun," Long Beach police said in a Friday press release.

"At this point, an officer involved shooting occurred," the release continued.

Morejon, who was in critical condition when he was admitted to a local hospital, was pronounced dead shortly after arrival.

According to police, "a weapon was not recovered from the scene."

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Mercado said authorities have remained tight-lipped about the shooting and have refused to reveal how many times Morejon was shot.

"The only thing [they have provided us with] is the same worn out excuse -- 'I thought I saw a gun,'" Mercado told HuffPost.

Mercado said the family would like the Long Beach Police Department to ask the U.S. Department of Justice to conduct an independent investigation to show they are being "fully transparent."

Contacted by HuffPost on Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Long Beach police said an independent investigation is currently being conducted by the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office.

"Anytime we have an officer involved shooting, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office responds to the scene and they conduct their own independent investigation, and the reason they do that is to see if there is anything criminal on the officer's part," the spokeswoman said. "So they are the ones who decide ultimately if any charges would be filed against the officer."

Mercado said the current investigation is "clearly a conflict of interest."

"We often find in these cases that evidence was lost or destroyed," the attorney said. "The public is entitled to know how this happened. Therefore, this investigation should go to an independent inquest by the Department of Justice or another police department."

Mercado added, "The family is very concerned and wants justice and accountability."
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Obviously, it is a tragedy that the young man died in police custody.  It goes without saying that a complete and thorough investigation is necessary to establish all of the facts and for justice to be rendered if it is determined that the police were culpable or negligent.



So your solution is that victims of decades of police abuse stand by quietly as an organized department investigates itself?

We should just layoff all the cops and let the street gangs simply investigate themselves.

These people are angry because they have been abused by police their whole life.

These neighborhoods are targeted by police.

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New York police shoot unarmed man dead during East Village arrest attempt

    NYPD spokeswoman confirms death after struggle Saturday afternoon
    Says man who did not have gun hit two officers with a radio

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A man tries to gain street access as police close it down near the scene of a shooting in New York City. Photograph: Eric Thayer/Reuters

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A man was shot and killed by New York police officers on Saturday, during an attempted arrest in the East Village neighbourhood of Manhattan.

An NYPD spokeswoman confirmed to the Guardian that the man was fatally shot earlier on Saturday afternoon, at around 1.45pm, but did not identify him, saying that the name had yet to be released to the press, pending notification of family.

The New York Post identified the man and said he was wanted on a robbery charge.

At a press conference held at the scene, NYPD chief Jim O’Neill said a “violent physical struggle” had taken place in a hallway after the suspect ran from the first attempt to arrest him, that the fight continued for about five minutes, and that one detective fired a single shot, hitting the suspect in the torso.

The NYPD spokeswoman confirmed to the Guardian that the man struggled with two officers and took one of their radios. The man used the radio to hit both officers, one of them in the head, the spokeswoman said.

Asked if the man had a gun, the spokeswoman said no. Asked if the police considered the radio to be a weapon, she said: “Well, he was striking them with it.”

The man was taken to hospital, where he died. Both detectives were taken to hospital. Their injuries were not considered serious.

An investigation was ongoing.
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So your solution is that victims of decades of police abuse stand by quietly as an organized department investigates itself?

We should just layoff all the cops and let the street gangs simply investigate themselves.

These people are angry because they have been abused by police their whole life.

These neighborhoods are targeted by police.



I never said that people should "stand quietly by."   Peaceful demonstrations are certainly appropriate.  Rioting, looting and other lawlessness is NOT the answer.

More importantly, I do not accept your premise that all police are bad and that all minorities are victims of abuse.   Yes -- there are some bad cops ---- but the overwhelming majority (95+%) are good and decent people.    Furthermore, close to a  of the police in Baltimore are Black, the Chief is Black and the Mayor is Black.  So the "race card" won't work in this situation.

The police do NOT target neighborhoods.  The criminal element targets the neighborhoods and police have to go in to take care of that.



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Having said that -- the lawlessness and riots are completely unnecessary and counterproductive.  It is hurting the residents of these inner-city neighborhoods.  It will take years to undo the damage.



More riots are needed to gain the attention of the 'powers that be'.
And this isn't just for blacks.
It's happening EVERYWHERE in the country to all races!!!
This country resembles a POLICE STATE for God's sake!!!
This ain't the 60's anymore! It's not just 'black oppression'.....it's AMERICAN OPPRESSION!
And America has had a Revolution in it's history....yes?
And history does repeat itself......yes?


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More riots are needed to gain the attention of the 'powers that be'.
And this isn't just for blacks.
It's happening EVERYWHERE in the country to all races!!!
This country resembles a POLICE STATE for God's sake!!!
This ain't the 60's anymore! It's not just 'black oppression'.....it's AMERICAN OPPRESSION!
And America has had a Revolution in it's history....yes?
And history does repeat itself......yes?

It's very misguided to believe that riots gain the kind
of attention required to enact change...demonstrations do
have that type of positive effect, but riots do just the opposite...
they detract from the intent and focus direction on the criminality of what they are doing.


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It's very misguided to believe that riots gain the kind
of attention required to enact change...demonstrations do
have that type of positive effect, but riots do just the opposite...
they detract from the intent and focus direction on the criminality of what they are doing.


You are correct in theory.
But folks are PISSED OFF!!!
Our entire government system is a rigged system.
From voting to taxes to wars to police to government to schools to healthcare (all levels)
NO ONE is listening to 'we the people'!!
Voting turnout is soooo low that the pres wants to making voting MANDATORY!!!! Ya...like that'll remedy the people's mind thought!
It appears that the days of 'peaceful demonstrations' are over.
'back in the day' Sharpton and Jackson would be leading march's all over the place.
Folks don't even want them around anymore since they have obviously been ineffective.
So folks are taking it upon themselves....GOOD FOR THEM!! 'BOUT TIME!
Like it or not....right or wrong......


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The police do NOT target neighborhoods.  The criminal element targets the neighborhoods and police have to go in to take care of that.



They absolutely target those neighborhoods.  The people in these impoverished neighborhoods are filled with hopelessness and dispair.  As a result, they turn to drugs to cope with the miserable conditions they are subjected to.  Then laws are passed to crack down on illegal drugs, and the police target these impoverished neighborhoods where people are most likely to turn to drug use to cope.  The drug addiction is a symptom of their circumstance, and the U.S. treats them like criminals for selling drugs to those that use them to escape their misery.  It's a disgusting cycle.  

The rioters that feel they've been abused by police over the years aren't paying for their police service.  They don't have any money to purchase the politicians that control the cops.  Political parties don't except food stamps for campaign contributions.  You know who contributes to political campaigns and pays taxes to fund the police?  CVS.  The building they burned down.  


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They absolutely target those neighborhoods.  The people in these impoverished neighborhoods are filled with hopelessness and dispair.  As a result, they turn to drugs to cope with the miserable conditions they are subjected to.  Then laws are passed to crack down on illegal drugs, and the police target these impoverished neighborhoods where people are most likely to turn to drug use to cope.  The drug addiction is a symptom of their circumstance, and the U.S. treats them like criminals for selling drugs to those that use them to escape their misery.  It's a disgusting cycle.  

The rioters that feel they've been abused by police over the years aren't paying for their police service.  They don't have any money to purchase the politicians that control the cops.  Political parties don't except food stamps for campaign contributions.  You know who contributes to political campaigns and pays taxes to fund the police?  CVS.  The building they burned down.  

They target those neighborhoods because the problem is more dense... you're fooling yourself if you think drug selling and using doesn't occur outside the urban areas..The peaceful protesters probably feel they way you describe, but most of the rioters and looters do not...you're giving them way too much credit. It's mostly a mob mentality with them and something fun to do..it's really that simple. Do you really think they targeted CVS??? really?? it was just convenient.. they also burned a black neighborhood residents house AND business. They lit a black churches senior housing center on fire...I guess they thought they owned the pols and police too  

Over the last 100 years, peaceful protests have produced results, rioting has not. Rioting does nothing but disgust the general public, who in turn ask their elected officials to make it go away.


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