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joebxr
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Kids have sex, it happens.

Totally not an issue that should be used to decide who runs the most powerful country in the world.

Just more political hate mongering, hysteria brought to you by Boxnews,



So this is your opinion of "Kids have sex, it happens."?
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According to a police report obtained by In Touch magazine, several years ago,
Josh was accused of touching five underage girls on their breasts and vaginas.
(Four of them were his sisters. Some of them were sleeping when he molested them.)


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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I simply don't understand the controversy regarding Duggar.
He sinned, admitted it, and took action to become a better person.
The Christian Conservatives seem to know the correct response, which is forgiveness.
Kids have sex, it happens.


What kind of family were you raised in?
Yes - kids have sex ... but apparently these incidents involving Duggar included his own sisters.
In 99.9% of the country, molesting your siblings is a crime.  Apparently, it is not a crime nor is it an issue in the 0.1& of the country where Libertarians live.

As for Huckabee's response to the whole situation, I think it raises HUGE RED FLAGS as to his fitness to become President of the United States of America.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Sorry L4L, but Huckabee has a *thang* for rapists

You might want to look up Wayne Dumond.

Tell us what you find.





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Quoted from BuckStrider
Sorry L4L, but Huckabee has a *thang* for rapists

You might want to look up Wayne Dumond.

Tell us what you find.



I wasn't really even interested in Duggar, I just don't accept Boxnews reports demonizing Republican candidates.

This is like when they were tying Obama to some former terrorist/activist.



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Don't forget the "Hilary Tapes", where Hilary boasts about getting a rapist of a 12 year old off of his rape charge.  Got him off on an technicality.


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Don't forget the "Hilary Tapes", where Hilary boasts about getting a rapist of a 12 year old off of his rape charge.  Got him off on an technicality.

Yup, she should have gotten her client executed.....right or wrong, THAT'S WHAT DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS SUPPOSSED TO DO...
GET THEIR CLIENT OFF...except in SISSY-WORLD!
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1975 sexual abuse case that became Clinton’s first criminal defense case as a 27-year-old lawyer


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Pope Problems for Republicans

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Politico: “Catholic Republicans are developing a pope problem. Earlier this month, Francis recognized
Palestinian statehood. This summer, he’s going to issue an encyclical condemning environmental
degradation. And in September, just as the GOP primary race heats up, Francis will travel to Washington
to address Congress on climate change.”

“Francis may be popular with the general public, but key Republican primary constituencies — hawks,
climate-change skeptics and religious conservatives, including some Catholics, are wary of the pope’s
progressivism.”


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Pataki for President

“Ignoring the polls and pundits, former New York Gov. George Pataki plans to announce Thursday
that he’s joining the crowded Republican field for president,” the New York Post reports.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Pataki for President

“Ignoring the polls and pundits, former New York Gov. George Pataki plans to announce Thursday
that he’s joining the crowded Republican field for president,” the New York Post reports.

He must have watched recent episodes of "The Good Wife"


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Quoted from joebxr

He must have watched recent episodes of "The Good Wife"


Probably not... It's just Congress that treats "make believe" as real life when they call actors to testify at hearings and call them "experts" because of a part they did on TV/movies


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Another Clown in the GOP Clown Car!

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Rick Santorum, “who fell short in his 2012 presidential bid, launched another run for
the White House on Wednesday with a promise to restore the economic power of middle-class
American workers,” Reuters reports.

Washington Post: “The step forward by Santorum, 57, is the latest in a wave of entries by
hard-right contenders who believe that after losing two straight presidential elections behind more
moderate nominees, GOP voters will turn to a candidate unflinching in their ideology who can
enthuse the party’s base.”

Politico: “Polls reflect his predicament: It’s not even clear he’ll make the cut for the first debates
this year.”


Santorum who promised to restore the economic power of middle-class American workers...
then promoted his "Flat Tax Scheme" that increases taxes for the middle class.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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A new Quinnipiac poll highlights how there is no frontrunner in the GOP presidential race.
Five candidates — Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio and Scott Walker
— all share the lead with 10% support each.

Said pollster Tim Malloy: “Safe to say, the 2016 Republican presidential primary is anyone’s
race. With no frontrunner and identical numbers for the top five contenders, it’s a horserace
which can only be described as a scrambled field – at least so far.”


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Quoted from Box A Rox
Another Clown in the GOP Clown Car!



Santorum who promised to restore the economic power of middle-class American workers...
then promoted his "Flat Tax Scheme" that increases taxes for the middle class.


It's hardly a scheme if its done right...in fact, if its done as a VAT and includes things like import taxes and exemptions for food and utilities for people of a certain income. its about as fair as you can get.


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It's hardly a scheme if its done right...in fact, if its done as a VAT and includes things like import taxes and
exemptions for food and utilities for people of a certain income. its about as fair as you can get.


Who pays more with a VAT?
The middle class and poor, of course.

Congressional Budget Office:
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THE VAT'S DISADVANTAGES
Taxing consumption instead of income has disadvantages as well as
advantages. Taxing consumption is inherently regressive--that is, the
burden of the tax as a share of income is greater for families having
lower income. A VAT would be regressive because lower-income families
spend more, and save less, of their income. In contrast, exemptions
and deductions under the current income tax would insulate lowincome
families from most of the burden of an income surtax, making
it a fairly progressive tax. Taxing consumption is also inherently
costly, both to administer and to comply with, because no general consumption
tax currently exists at the federal level in the United States.
An income surtax, however, would impose few, if any, additional costs
for administration and compliance because it would simply augment
an existing source of revenue by raising the tax rate. Thus, a VAT has
two disadvantages relative to an income surtax:
~ The costs of administering and complying with a VAT would
be substantial--much higher than for a surtax.
~ Compared with a surtax, a VAT would impose a much
greater tax burden on the poor.


And:
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If the United States had a VAT that was similar to those in Europe,
only about a third of U.S. businesses would have to collect the
VAT. Under such a VAT, most small businesses (with annual sales below
$25,000) and many service businesses (including those providing
medical, educational, financial, and charitable services) would be exempt
from collecting the tax. Nevertheless, administering the VAT
would still cost the federal government about $750 million to $1.5 billion
annually, and complying with it would still cost U.S. businesses
about $4 billion to $7 billion annually.
The substantial administrative and compliance costs of the VAT--
totaling about $5 billion to $8 billion per year--would offset much or all
of the economic benefit from the VAT's efficiency advantage over a surtax
because the cost of administering and complying with a surtax
would be negligible. Although there are ways to design a VAT that
would lessen its administrative and compliance costs, most involve unattractive
trade-offs with other design objectives such as not taxing
business purchases and lessening the VAT's burden on the poor.


This is an old study, but the impact according to the CBO is less tax for the rich, more taxes for
the poor and middle class.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I guess you didn't read the part of my post that said EXEMPTIONS

Exempt taxes on the poor below a certain income..or a sliding scale, make the VAT universal on for-profit businesses.
How do you tell who is poor when buying something? With a government issued tax status card...

There are MANY ways to implement this successfully, but I guess it's easier to use the ridiculously complicated IRS process and b$tch about the rich...


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