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CICERO
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CORRECTION:  "Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)"

I wonder what the x out of x million cases of severe issues, similar to those you are focused on,
that people contract that have not been vaccinated? Also how many x out of x people have developed
serious side effects of MMR diseases that were not vaccinated. Those are the numbers I would want to
understand to make a better informed decision.  That's what a logical person would do!


Yes, a logical person would weigh those statistics and make a personal decision.  Not weigh those numbers and mandate that everybody get vaccinated based on your personal risk assessment.


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No, I'm dying laughing that you believe the government is preventing diseases.LOL

Yes Cicero... as YOUR graph proves...THE GOVT IS PREVENTING DISEASE!



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Yes Cicero... as YOUR graph proves...THE GOVT IS PREVENTING DISEASE!



How so?  Looks like the government failed around 1915.  What was the government doing that year?lol


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Measles affects about 20 million people a year,[1] primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia.[3] It resulted in about 96,000 deaths in 2013 down from 545,000 deaths in 1990.[7] In 1980, the disease is estimated to have caused 2.6 million deaths per year.[3] Before immunization in the United States between three and four million cases occurred a year.[5] Most of those who are infected and who die are less than five years old.[3] The risk of death among those infected is usually 0.2%,[5] but may be up to 10% in those who have malnutrition.[3] It is not believed to affect animals.[3]



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The majority of patients survive measles, though in some cases, complications may occur, which may include bronchitis, and—in about 1 in 100,000 cases[49]—panencephalitis, which is usually fatal.[50] Acute measles encephalitis is another serious risk of measles virus infection. It typically occurs two days to one week after the breakout of the measles exanthem and begins with very high fever, severe headache, convulsions and altered mentation. A patient may become comatose, and death or brain injury may occur.[51]


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The Antonine Plague,[67] 165–180 AD, also known as the Plague of Galen, who described it, was probably smallpox or measles. The epidemic may have claimed the life of Roman emperor Lucius Verus. Total deaths have been estimated at five million.[68] Estimates of the timing of evolution of measles seem to suggest this plague was something other than measles. The first scientific description of measles and its distinction from smallpox and chickenpox is credited to the Persian physician Rhazes (860–932), who published The Book of Smallpox and Measles.[69] Given what is now known about the evolution of measles, this account is remarkably timely, as recent work that examined the mutation rate of the virus indicates the measles virus emerged from rinderpest (Cattle Plague) as a zoonotic disease between 1100 and 1200 AD, a period that may have been preceded by limited outbreaks involving a virus not yet fully acclimated to humans.[70] This agrees with the observation that measles requires a susceptible population of >500,000 to sustain an epidemic, a situation that occurred in historic times following the growth of medieval European cities.[71]


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Ive only met one person with polio. Now I wonder what happened ?

  Did his mom choose to opt out ?  I remember when I tried to get out of that shot-  just because it hurt.


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Ive only met one person with polio. Now I wonder what happened ?

  Did his mom choose to opt out ?  I remember when I tried to get out of that shot-  just because it hurt.

Interesting...CDC says:
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Do people still get polio in the United States?
No, the United States has been polio free for more than 30 years, but the disease is still occurring in other parts of the world. It would only take one traveler with polio from another country to bring polio back to the United States.



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Quite frankly, we should require that all our presidential candidates be vaccinated for stupidity.  Starting with Rand Paul and Chris Christie.


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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Do people still get polio in the United States?
No, the United States has been polio free for more than 30 years, but the disease is still occurring in other parts of the world. It would only take one traveler with polio from another country to bring polio back to the United States.


That's amazing...millions of illegal immigrants crossed into the US over the past 30 years, and not one person entered with polio.  Ebola outbreak, and multiple people with Ebola entered, but never anybody with polio.  Crazy!


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That's amazing...millions of illegal immigrants crossed into the US over the past 30 years, and not one person entered with polio.  Ebola outbreak, and multiple people with Ebola entered, but never anybody with polio.  Crazy!


It doesn't sound like you know much about polio- whats crazy is you just keep talking

You dont know much about Mexicans either


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It doesn't sound like you know much about polio- whats crazy is you just keep talking

You dont know much about Mexicans either


What do Mexicans have to do with anything?   bizare.


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Ive only met one person with polio. Now I wonder what happened ?

  Did his mom choose to opt out ?  I remember when I tried to get out of that shot-  just because it hurt.


The main reason for the decline in polio is the US is the elimination of cess pools and development of sewage treatment.  The places where polio outbreaks occur tend to be 3rd world countries that dump raw sewage into waterways that end up also being cooking,drinking, and bathing water.


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What do Mexicans have to do with anything?   bizare.


Ok excuuuuuse me Latinos - mexico and central america- the third world countries-

the ones with universal health care- the kids  are vaccinated better than the  states they are sneaking into.


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I agree with no 'mandated' vaccines.
it should be a choice on which chemical you choose to have injected into YOUR or YOUR children's bodies.
Mandating aka leaving no choice to administer mass injections of chemicals into it's citizens, is one scary thought!!!
It's YOUR body.....It's YOUR choice!
YOUR body nor YOUR children's bodies are not government issue!!!!


Blasphemer!

It takes a government to decide all matters for you.

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The vaccine are good...yes...definitely NOT fool proof....

ALL viruses mutate.....

cleanliness is the most optimal condition for NOT getting sick....however, humans can't control the earth/nature any more than
they can control time/universe.....

people living in close quarters in squalor is the MOST prevalent reason for disease contraction.....via nature that is.....

as for cancer....after reading many theories on it's increase (if that is what the case is), it's mostly because we've given up our individual
responsibility to take care of ourselves and have put ourselves into an 'artificial living' state....

chemicals
manipulated food supply to increase it's out put because we fail to feed ourselves
lack of robust life style outside
9-5 tread mill jobs to 'do our part and participate as a good human commodity should'

etc etc......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Rand Paul wants FREEDOM, (The FREEDOM TO DIE NEEDLESSLY)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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