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Libertarian4life
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Great News For Schdy!!!
... CRIME in Schdy... it can't get much worse!
  


Famous last words.

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My answer? Probably not until I move out of the county.


Exactly!!

We have talked to 'at least' 5 folks today who live in the county....and come springtime, there homes are going up for sale. however, they fear they are too late. they think that the casino will make home values go down. HOWEVER.....we have also talked to folks who are saying their property values just doubled. so who the hell knows ....that's to be seen.
One thing is for sure....the construction industry will see a major BOOM!!!!



It is what it is folks.........Schenectady is now a run-a-way train....agree with the direction it's going in or not.....no sense bit@hing about it anymore.........it is what it is and will be for decades to come.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Give me one example of a SINGLE casino having a positive effect on the ENTIRE community? ENTIRE meaning neighborhoods, tax base, schools. etc.
Or..
is this just like the rest of the downtown projects...where the only ones that benefit are the developers, owners, and the out of town patrons?


Millionaires will undoubtedly make money.

I would like to see just one case where property taxes went down because a casino was built.
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Look at Atlantic City.

It used to be a slum by the sea, and now, it's a slum by the sea with casinos.
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.....no sense bit@hing about it anymore.........it is what it is and will be for decades to come.


I can still b**ch that gambling should be legal for regular people too, not just for corporations.

Unequal rights.

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What Is the Salary Range for a Casino Dealer?
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The odds of a casino dealer earning tips are comparable to the odds of a player winning a game. Casino dealers rely on tips for income, and tips come from winning players. Volatile daily and weekly earnings make a career in this field risky. A few lucky dealers earn stratospheric amounts, while others earn just enough to meet the adequate income necessary to meet basic living expenses. Learn how to play the game before setting a bet on a career in the casinos.

Salary

The national average base pay for a casino dealer is $14,700 a year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, but that figure does not include company benefits and tips. The total salary earned annually averages $32,000 to $58,000 a year, which may include benefits such as disability, health insurance, and pension, along with tips that account for roughly 50 to 80 percent of that salary. Most casinos offer minimum wage as starting base pay, while other casinos start base pay around $7.00 to $8.00 an hour. Some companies may also offer small periodic raises. New dealers work at unpopular tables until they master a game and move on to other opportunities or higher paying tables. Casinos offer numerous table games, so each dealer works at a table game that he or she has mastered, but no table game guarantees more income than any other game. Experienced dealers, with a clean work record, may move through the ranks and become a supervisor or pit manager, who earns an average salary of $60,000 a year.

Variables

Various circumstances influence income potential for a casino dealer. Supervisors assign dealers to table games for maximum income potential and customer satisfaction. These decisions include variables such as personality and physical features, while also employing the art of optical illusion. For instance, husky dealers do not work on the podium, so guests can move around easier, and placing shorter dealers in the craps pit creates an illusion of an inferior dealer, attracting players into that arena. During slow seasons, or periods of recession, dealers earn fewer tips and have work hours reduced, which inevitably affect the base pay and some benefits as well. Weather conditions, the time of year, and other factors provoke or inhibit potential earnings.

Tips

A new era of gratuity enters the casino workplace as casinos employ second and third-generation tipping. Some casinos allow the dealers to keep the tips earned from the shift, yet other casinos put each dealer's tips into a pool so all the dealers share the total of tips earned, splitting them equally at the end of the shift. Dealers may employ third-generation tipping when he or she compensates other workers who drive business to the table. For example, a wait staff may refer customers or seat winning players. If a dealer earns tips from those customers, he or she shares them with the wait staff, in addition to sharing tips earned if required. The dealer, who compensates those workers well, receives a constant flow of players to his or her table, builds strong interpersonal relationships, and promotes a vibrant working environment that increases job satisfaction and income potential.

Misconceptions

Fantasy averages attract new dealers into the field, with the premise of earning a disproportionate salary. These averages come from unreliable, inaccurate earnings estimates stemming from an impressive earning amount and determining annual earnings based on that one high figure. For instance, if a casino dealer made $2,000 one week and multiplies that weeks earning by 52, the assumed annual salary is $100,000 a year. Those estimates do not represent the accurate annual earnings of any casino dealer or recreation worker. Furthermore, predicting income by tips expected from winnings do not represent the actual tips earned, as customers do not always tip as recommended. Other times, pit managers may ask the players to leave if they are winning too much, which also disrupts the flow of tips.

Time Frame

A dealer's salary may depend on timing. Nightshifts are busy hours in the casino, so dealers can earn more, but morning shifts are slow hours in the casino, where new dealers practice technique and skill, and eventually work up to the more popular tables and shifts. High-end clientele can patronize the casino at any hour, and high rollers tip well. During busy seasons, dealers can expect more work hours and higher tip income. During slow shifts or off seasons, dealers may request to leave the shift or stay and earn the base salary. The small income earned in these seasons offset the income earned during busy seasons. In addition, most casino dealers work an hour at a table before relieved by another dealer for a twenty-minute break. An unlucky dealer may leave the table for break, just as a player hits a winning streak and tips generously with each win.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I can still b**ch that gambling should be legal for regular people too, not just for corporations.

Unequal rights.





JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Casinos dont only employ house keeping and blackjack dealers

Security are ex military, retired cops. A paramedic team is on call 24 7.

Facilities/maintanence  knowledge of construcion trades

Hospitality managment that is probably graduating from SCC

Sure the valet wont be like vegas but even vegas isnt like vegas

people that are retired can supplement thir incom. Young people in assist managment can spring board to other gaming propertie.

Slot techicians are in demand everywhere

Maybe the local bakeries will suppy some  bread for the steakhouse  ( there is always a steakhouse )

And dont forget the IT department and survalience.

Casinos always hire local- thats part of the deal . Sure  their managment form other properties will get it set up


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Schenectady - behind the times.  Casino gambling has been declining around the country for years.  The only way this would be a game changer in Schenectady is if there was a sport book inside.  I believe casino sports gambling is not allowed in NY.  All gambling can be done on-line.  The millenials will gamble online.  There will be a short term bump in economic activity, but once it levels out, the cost for the city to support it will exceed the overall economic benefit.  Why?  Because once the city see's the revenue increase, every city employee union will jack their pay and suck up all the revenue.  It will never result in lower taxes.


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Quoted from joebxr

It is what it is, agree with it or not. 800 jobs + part time jobs is more than what there is now.
Time to look at and try to promote the positive benefits. Other businesses will be looking
at this as a possibility for expansion or creation. Proposal included a Hotel and Steak House too,
so those are pluses, right. All he negative anything at this point is pointless.  IT'S DONE DEAL!!!! LIVE WITH IT!
Find a way to take advantage of it for your own purpose if possible.  If after it's done, people still
have nasty taste in their mouth, then simple...AVOID THE PLACE AND IGNORE ITS EXISTENCE.

Not sure, but maybe I qualify as GEEZER GLIDER...but I might go to the Steak House and take advantage
of any entertainment venue they may have...but that's only way they get my GEEZER GLIDER money...
not going to leave any on their tables/in their slots.

GEEZER GLIDER over and out!!!!



It's fine for other businesses to expand or come here.  But the problem is, they are all "GIMME DA MONEY and I open a business"   And the "Make the homeowners pay my taxes and I will open a business here."

If downtown was done without a dime of taxpayer money, if the millionaires and billionaires funded their own new or renovated buildings, if they paid their own taxes in full, then property values would be 2 or 3 times what they were 4 years ago when reassessment was done, and homeowners tax bills would be quite a bit less than they are now, and we would be able to buy a new car in the city. Schenectady would be the destination city in which to buy a house.  And there would be a lot more than gin mills downtown.

But instead, the people pay the taxes for the rich (who give generously to the party who in turn gives the rich more taxpayer money), and Schenectady is the absolutely  last city in the whole state that people want to come and buy a house.


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Give me one example of a SINGLE casino having a positive effect on the ENTIRE community? ENTIRE meaning neighborhoods, tax base, schools. etc.
Or..
is this just like the rest of the downtown projects...where the only ones that benefit are the developers, owners, and the out of town patrons?


That was the point of my post... Its up to city leaders to insure that the majority of those jobs go to city people, not to other area residents.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Schenectady - behind the times.  Casino gambling has been declining around the country for years.  The only way this would be a game changer in Schenectady is if there was a sport book inside.  I believe casino sports gambling is not allowed in NY.  All gambling can be done on-line.  The millenials will gamble online.  There will be a short term bump in economic activity, but once it levels out, the cost for the city to support it will exceed the overall economic benefit.  Why?  Because once the city see's the revenue increase, every city employee union will jack their pay and suck up all the revenue.  It will never result in lower taxes.


exactly.....the future is coming and the internet is already here.....the up and coming IS sports betting,,,,just watched
a segment on CNBC......sports betting has been happening for ages....much like the 'loosies'....now the policing of
'sanctioned' sports betting will cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

it's a monster in and of itself for itself and nothing more.....much like IHOP....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Casinos dont only employ house keeping and blackjack dealers

Security are ex military, retired cops. A paramedic team is on call 24 7.

Facilities/maintanence  knowledge of construcion trades

Hospitality managment that is probably graduating from SCC

Sure the valet wont be like vegas but even vegas isnt like vegas

people that are retired can supplement thir incom. Young people in assist managment can spring board to other gaming propertie.

Slot techicians are in demand everywhere

Maybe the local bakeries will suppy some  bread for the steakhouse  ( there is always a steakhouse )

And dont forget the IT department and survalience.

Casinos always hire local- thats part of the deal . Sure  their managment form other properties will get it set up



no....the hotels hire cooks/cleaning service.....low paid jobs with nothing to offer but a learning about a$$licking


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I wonder how much $$$grease it took......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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