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In McCain's case:


The High level of the detainees that were released would probably been one of the factors he would consider based on  his quote "Obviously I’d have to know the details"
It's something he  never got to find out about since Obama ignored the notification law that he signed.
Even Feinstein came out with a statement expressing her displeasure at the Obama end-around.


John McCain was released from Hanoi once the Vietnam war was over.
Soon the Afghan war will be over and all those prisoners of war will be returned to their homeland.
This trade possibly saved an American's life, by sending 5 of those POW's to a third country, not
Afghanistan.  




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John McCain was released from Hanoi once the Vietnam war was over.
Soon the Afghan war will be over and all those prisoners of war will be returned to their homeland.
This trade possibly saved an American's life, by sending 5 of those POW's to a third country, not
Afghanistan.  




Sending them to a third country means nothing in these days of cell phones and the Internet.
Obama claims they will be monitored but doesn't say how. It's clear the US will NOT be doing the monitoring, so it's up to Qatar.
So far, they have no inclination to do much:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/03/us-qatar-taliban-prisoners-idUSKBN0EE1AD20140603

Back to McCain, in this case, I don't see the Hypocrisy. He said he'd be OK with a swap depending on the details. He never got those details until after the fact because the law was not followed.


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This issue is much like the Benghazi "scandal".
It's 100% about politics and 0% on substance.


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Prisoner exchange is nothing new... and this wouldn't be an issue except it's being used to slam
Obama.

On Saturday, February 10, 1962, twenty-one months after his capture, pilot
Francis Gary Powers was exchanged in a spy swap for Soviet KGB Colonel Vilyam Fisher
(aka Rudolf Ivanovich Abel) at the now famous Glienicke Bridge. American student
Frederic Pryor was also released at the same time at Checkpoint Charlie. Abel was
an English-born KGB man who had been caught spying in New York in 1957
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Prisoner exchange is nothing new... and this wouldn't be an issue except it's being used to slam
Obama.

On Saturday, February 10, 1962, twenty-one months after his capture, pilot
Francis Gary Powers was exchanged in a spy swap for Soviet KGB Colonel Vilyam Fisher
(aka Rudolf Ivanovich Abel) at the now famous Glienicke Bridge. American student
Frederic Pryor was also released at the same time at Checkpoint Charlie. Abel was
an English-born KGB man who had been caught spying in New York in 1957
.


I agree the prisoner exchange is nothing new. The argument here is whether the swap was a fair one...
Obama caused most of the slamming... from BOTH parties in regard to the required congressional notification by not following a law that HE signed.


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I agree the prisoner exchange is nothing new. The argument here is whether the swap was a fair one...
Obama caused most of the slamming... from BOTH parties in regard to the required congressional notification by not following a law that HE signed.


The prisoner exchange was nothing new?  A nation state just negotiated a prisoner swap with a sovereign organization with no affiliation with a recognized government.  I think everybody is missing the fact that a organization that has no nation or government was able to negotiate a prisoner swap between the US Government and Qatar Government. You may as well give Al Qaeda/Taliban UN Membership.lol

The Taliban only had diplomatic recognition in 3 nations - Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.  Now you can add the US and Qatar.


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The prisoner exchange was nothing new?  A nation state just negotiated a prisoner swap with a sovereign organization with no affiliation with a recognized government.  I think everybody is missing the fact that a organization that has no nation or government was able to negotiate a prisoner swap between the US Government and Qatar Government. You may as well give Al Qaeda/Taliban UN Membership.lol


It IS nothing new Internationally, even WITH terrorist organizations. Israel has done it several times


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It IS nothing new Internationally, even WITH terrorist organizations. Israel has done it several times


The US negotiated with and recognized the very government they spent 13 years and thousands of lives overthrowing.  Talk about soldiers becoming disillusioned. What did they "sacrifice" for?  Why not negotiate with the Taliban 13 years ago?  It would have saved a lot of lives and money.

The negotiation is the slap on the face to the military.  Not the 6 soldiers that died looking for a deserter, but the thousands of lives lost overthrowing the government the USG ultimately ended up negotiating with.  


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The GOP's Bergdahl backlash has slipped into farce
When you throw Oliver North into the mix, you know you're in trouble
The Week
http://theweek.com/article/ind.....-farce#axzz33i0TG9HD


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WASHINGTON — A classified military report detailing the Army’s investigation into
the disappearance of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in June 2009 says that he had wandered away
from assigned areas before — both at a training range in California and at his remote outpost
in Afghanistan — and then returned, according to people briefed on it.

The roughly 35-page report, completed two months after Sergeant Bergdahl left his unit,
concludes that he most likely walked away of his own free will from his outpost in the
darkness of night, and it criticized lax security practices and poor discipline within his
unit. But it stops short of concluding that there is solid evidence that Sergeant Bergdahl
intended to permanently desert.


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Straw man- straw man - straw man...


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The GOP's Bergdahl backlash has slipped into farce
When you throw Oliver North into the mix, you know you're in trouble
The Week
http://theweek.com/article/ind.....-farce#axzz33i0TG9HD


Straw man - straw man - straw man...What's Oliver North and John McCain have to do with Obama's decision on a prisoner swap?

But...to play along...Reagan had North as a fall guy to take the rap.  Obama proudly took credit for his dealings with terrorists.


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Like I said, he will probably get a medical and not face any charges...

But he will always be remembered by a good portion of the populace as someone, who, at the very least, walked away from his fellow soldiers and his email trail also showed what he thought of America. And that will follow him and be more burdensome than any court martial or prison time.


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Straw man- straw man - straw man...


LMAO @ cissy's Straw Man Claim!     


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