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Volkswagen employees may have made a huge mistake when they rejected union membership on Friday.
Employees at VW's Chattanooga plant voted against representation by United Auto Workers, leaving the factory as the only Volkswagen plant worldwide without a formal mechanism for workers' representation.
The German "co-determination" model mandates works councils, which connect employees to management, at all large German companies. Following the union vote, the head of Volkswagen's works council told German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung that the automaker would hesitate to expand in the U.S. South.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the South again," said works council leader Bernd Osterloh.
"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of building another plant in the right-to-work South, Osterloh added.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/vw-union-workers_n_4820585.html |
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The workers in Chattanooga did what they thought was best for them. When they saw what the UAW had done to Detroit they said no thanks we like things just the way they are and besides we make more money than the union workers do. |
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The workers in Chattanooga did what they thought was best for them. When they saw what the UAW had done to Detroit they said no thanks we like things just the way they are and besides we make more money than the union workers do.
VW workers in Chattanooga voted for what they thought was in their best interest... AFTER BEING LIED TO BY THE GOP!
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WASHINGTON -- As Tennessee Volkswagen workers were voting last week on whether or not to have the United Auto Workers represent them, Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) dropped what Reuters aptly called a "bombshell" on the proceedings.
"I've had conversations today and based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the UAW, Volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new mid-size SUV here in Chattanooga," Corker said.
Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/13/us-volkswagen-corker-idUSBREA1C04H20140213 |
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UAW tears, best tears.
They can blame whoever they want, but I think it came down to three things.
1) They didn't want those union dues to fund $1M gold flake paint for the lobby of the UAW HQ.
2) They don't want their dues to be automatically forwarded to some Soros Super PAC or a Dem candidate campaign fund.
and this is the biggest one....
3) Someone showed the workers side by side pictures of Chattanooga and Detroit and asked "What city do you want to live in?" |
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If I was making more than a union worker doing the same job why would I vote to join the union? |
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National Labor Relations Board expert Kenneth G. Dau-Schmidt, who is professor of labor at the University of Indiana-Bloomington, said Corker was trying to intimidate workers into voting against the union.
"I'm really kind of shocked at Corker's statement," said Dau-Schmidt. "It's so inconsistent with what VW has been saying and VW's labor relations policy in general."
The Indiana professor also said Corker's comments "would be grounds to set the election aside and have to run it all over again at a later date" because it could be ruled to be interfering to the point that it is against federal labor law.
A spokeswoman for Corker did not respond when asked whether the senator also meant that a vote for the UAW would mean that the plant would not get the new product, which could create an estimated 1,500 new jobs.
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The Chattanooga plant workers will get a cut in pay and have to pay union dues so the union can fund politicians that are not of your choosing. Let them vote again and if the results are the same they won't have any excuse for the defeat. |
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The Chattanooga plant workers will get a cut in pay and have to pay union dues so the union can fund politicians that are not of your choosing. Let them vote again and if the results are the same they won't have any excuse for the defeat.
Volkswagen recognizes the value of unions and would prefer to deal with an organized group of workers instead of dealing with backwoods rednecks! These @ssholes are not only rejecting the UAW, they are rejecting their own employer, Volkswagen!
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Workers at VW's factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee, last Friday voted against representation by the United Auto Workers union (UAW), rejecting efforts by VW representatives to set up a German-style works council at the plant.
German workers enjoy considerable influence over company decisions under the legally enshrined "co-determination" principle which is anathema to many politicians in the U.S. who see organized labor as a threat to profits and job growth.
Chattanooga is VW's only factory in the U.S. and one of the company's few in the world without a works council.
"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council.
"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.
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Imagine that workers that can think for themselves and not follow orders from others, they must be destroyed or be forced to join the collective. |
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Imagine that workers that can think for themselves and not follow orders from others, they must be destroyed or be forced to join the collective.
VW wanted this group to organize, as did 47% of the employees there who, now with out any group representation, must FOLLOW ORDERS FROM OTHERS INSTEAD OF BEING A PART OF VW DECISIONS ON PRODUCTION, SAFETY AND BENEFITS. VW offered the rednecks a voice... Rednecks refused! The 53% who voted no don't deserve a union. |
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What large union did you belong to Box that makes you believe that everything the union does is good for the worker? |
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What large union did you belong to Box that makes you believe that everything the union does is good for the worker?
Where did I post that Everything the Union does is Good For The Workers???Almost All other VW plants are unionized, and VW wanted this one to be unionized also. They still do, and may try to work around US Labor laws to find a way to unionize this plant. I've worked for both union and non union employers. The Union employers most often made a good profit. The non union ones were marginal. To ask you your own question... What makes you believe that everything the union does is bd for the worker? |
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This is from first hand experience as a union steward for 25 years with the AFL/CIO. Went out on strike on International Union request and ended up being out of work for 7 months. Were told that union dues funded a strike fund for workers, in 7 months we received $10 once a month for doing picket duty and a turkey for Thanksgiving. The union officials got full pay all the while we were out of work. To make matters even worse when we went back to work our dues were doubled until we got caught up with what we owed. Unions aren't always the best solution to the problem. The truth is the union can be bought by the company to convince the workers to do what the company wants not necessarily what's best for the worker. |
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This is from first hand experience as a union steward for 25 years with the AFL/CIO. Went out on strike on International Union request and ended up being out of work for 7 months. Were told that union dues funded a strike fund for workers, in 7 months we received $10 once a month for doing picket duty and a turkey for Thanksgiving. The union officials got full pay all the while we were out of work. To make matters even worse when we went back to work our dues were doubled until we got caught up with what we owed. Unions aren't always the best solution to the problem. The truth is the union can be bought by the company to convince the workers to do what the company wants not necessarily what's best for the worker.
And that strike in 66 and 69 taught your employer something... and there was relative labor peace for the next 30 -40 years! Those workers invested into their future by fighting for what was equatable. All workers, not just in the business you were in, benefited from that strike. Today your pension, your health care benefits, your IRA, your shop safety, etc, were purchased with those days on strike. A worthwhile investment! |
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One of my family members worked for the State and belonged to PEF. About the only thing PEF cares about is keeping employee numbers up, as it is more money in their pockets. They don't really care about working conditions or violations of civil service law or anything like that. If you belong to PEF, every time your pay goes up, so do your dues. The union does make it harder for you to lose your job, but look what happened with all those CSEA employees working for the city school system. The same union that 'protected' them also protected that insane terrorist janitor. I'm not denying the good that labor unions have done, just pointing out that they always become really corrupt really fast. |
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