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The RFP was written by the Town Attorney....who has impressively collected a mountain of information on the history and operations of REMS....and has wisely
specified a five year term for proposals....so it can't be the political hot potato it's always been.

REMS has never achieved or maintained consistently acceptable response times....or response rates for that matter. The standards outlined are in the best
interest of the Town. I don't believe they were designed to make it unattainable for REMS...but rather to serve the purpose of securing the safety of our
residents to the highest degree possible...while holding the provider accountable in every way....accountability REMS was allowed to escape.


Why did this administration dissolve the entire paramedics unit if they were concerned about the safety of the town residents?  Even if what you say is all true, why would the town eliminate the proven paramedics, and put all their eggs in one basket with Mohawk, who have yet to prove they can serve the entire town?  

Sure, the town attorney can put the "minimum standards" on a piece of paper, it doesn't mean Mohawk will reach them.  And even if they didn't meet the response time standards, who is monitoring it and what is the towns recourse?(if it even gets reported)

Even during the time of the NNTP, and up to now, nobody I know complained about the cost or quality of the town paramedic service.  Nobody even complained about REMS.  The only complaint was a taxing district for them, and subsidizing them through the town budget.  Never their response time service levels.



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Why did this administration dissolve the entire paramedics unit if they were concerned about the safety of the town residents?  Even if what you say is all true, why would the town eliminate the proven paramedics, and put all their eggs in one basket with Mohawk, who have yet to prove they can serve the entire town?  

Sure, the town attorney can put the "minimum standards" on a piece of paper, it doesn't mean Mohawk will reach them.  And even if they didn't meet the response time standards, who is monitoring it and what is the towns recourse?(if it even gets reported)

Even during the time of the NNTP, and up to now, nobody I know complained about the cost or quality of the town paramedic service.  Nobody even complained about REMS.  The only complaint was a taxing district for them, and subsidizing them through the town budget.  Never their response time service levels.



As I said, the Town needed to finance retirees and, sadly, raises for friends and family members....some being pretty substantial.....especially Mike Viscusi's
daughter....for a previously non-existent position....thus the "need" to eliminate a program that was costing the Town around a half million $ per year.

No one has ever questioned the quality of care delivered by the Town paramedics.....which is why until now, the paramedics would have continued, and
we would have been seeing returns on that investment....and when paramedics weren't available, Mohawk covered those as well....couldn't collect in those
cases, but no cost to the Town either.

It is clear in the RFP that the standards set forth are not only required, but the proposed contract for services must include all of those standards, and must
be submitted with the proposals.

Mohawk has a well established history of maintaining response times well within industry and national standards and, as I said, there are penalties for
failure to consistently maintain such response times.....a report of which must be provided to the Town on a monthly basis.

Mohawk has already proven they can fully serve the Town's EMS needs.....who do you think was picking up all of REMS' dropped calls all these years? Or
covering unavailable paramedics? And they have plenty of back up in the event of multiple and simultaneous emergencies where REMS does not. In fact,
the recently expired REMS contract did not even provide the same coverage we will now have 24/7.

You're right about one thing: Nobody was complaining about the care delivered by REMS....when they were there.....or the paramedics. The biggest
problem is their eternal inability to be financially self-sustaining and their history of both extended response times and significant numbers of dropped calls...
all while they were soliciting donations, asking for bailouts from the Town and illegally retaining funds from billing for paramedics they did not provide.

I hope this answers your questions......

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Mohawk has a well established history of maintaining response times well within industry and national standards and, as I said, there are penalties for
failure to consistently maintain such response times.....a report of which must be provided to the Town on a monthly basis.

Mohawk has already proven they can fully serve the Town's EMS needs.....who do you think was picking up all of REMS' dropped calls all these years? Or
covering unavailable paramedics? And they have plenty of back up in the event of multiple and simultaneous emergencies where REMS does not. In fact,
the recently expired REMS contract did not even provide the same coverage we will now have 24/7.

You're right about one thing: Nobody was complaining about the care delivered by REMS....when they were there.....or the paramedics. The biggest
problem is their eternal inability to be financially self-sustaining and their history of both extended response times and significant numbers of dropped calls...
all while they were soliciting donations, asking for bailouts from the Town and illegally retaining funds from billing for paramedics they did not provide.

I hope this answers your questions......



Well, the only question not answered, which you claim to already have been determined, is that Mohawk has proven to provide adequate coverage.  They have only covered for dropped calls.  What is the percentage of dropped calls versus total calls?  In reality, they have only covered a percentage of all town calls.  

Now we are tying paramedics to transport.  Meaning that a paramedic will be on a BLS call, while a simultaneous call may come in for ALS service.  Currently, our paramedics are not tied to the transport vehicle, and could treat the sick or injured while waiting for transport.

I can't see how the service levels will improve by eliminating paramedics.


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With any seriously ill patient the paramedics do accompany the patient to the hospital in the BLS vehicle.
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Going back in years.....the ambulances were strictly volunteer and no pay....the volunteer firemen ran the service.....gave their time freely...

.....back in the day.....door-to-door donations and meeting the men serving the community...

Gus and Gloria Leschen are to be commended for their long service in the So Schdy Fire Dept...gracious and caring couple....along with all the

volunteers who would leave their dinner on holidays, give up family time....to serve to a person in need  was a priority..

Seems now government wants to run community service with no forethought...only how they can make $$$ for themselves and others in the coup.

REMS did their job....they served the community with the same compassion as in the days of the volunteers ...they saved my life and many others..

Thankyou to  all who served on REMS .. closing the door .... like they never existed, is no way that their legacy should be remembered....

REMS will prevail.... This Town has given insight of what this government is made of......

God hlep us all....
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Well, the only question not answered, which you claim to already have been determined, is that Mohawk has proven to provide adequate coverage.  They have only covered for dropped calls.  What is the percentage of dropped calls versus total calls?  In reality, they have only covered a percentage of all town calls.  

Now we are tying paramedics to transport.  Meaning that a paramedic will be on a BLS call, while a simultaneous call may come in for ALS service.  Currently, our paramedics are not tied to the transport vehicle, and could treat the sick or injured while waiting for transport.

I can't see how the service levels will improve by eliminating paramedics.


For many years, more than half of the volunteers'/REMS' call were dropped....it improved slightly when they merged (by force) into a paid consolidated
squad....but still haven't achieved consistent coverage....as I mentioned, their contract specifically stated that their coverage would not be complete.

The paramedics have always been tied to transport.....the transporter is the only one who can legally bill for paramedic service.....and if the transporter does
not provide the ALS service, the funds collected must be turned over to the owner....in this case the Town.....which it has never been by REMS.

Paramedics are not being eliminated....they will continue to be provided...in fact the full time Town paramedics have been offered employment with Mohawk.

If another call comes in while the first BLS/ALS team is in use....the second required team is sent....after that, another rig is sent to roam the area to cover
until one or both ambulances return.....and another if that one gets a call....and so forth. REMS cannot provide this kind of backup....they have always relied
on mutual aid from other outfits....and that aid has come almost exclusively from Mohawk.
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BE real......saving lives....that's more important than all the $$$ in the world....

that's all is said....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...

and so far as I am concerned .......wait time is a false projection.....

better for the residents ??????????   REMS you betcha........also adds jobs....not take away and give to those who in with the "in" crowd...

so all your warbling can't make many of us change our minds.....all of a sudden the critics come out of the closet....AND ...all the talk just goes on and on.


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Quoted from gadfly

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The paramedics have always been tied to transport.....the transporter is the only one who can legally bill for paramedic service.....and if the transporter does
not provide the ALS service, the funds collected must be turned over to the owner....in this case the Town.....which it has never been by REMS.

Paramedics are not being eliminated....they will continue to be provided...in fact the full time Town paramedics have been offered employment with Mohawk.
that aid has come almost exclusively from Mohawk.


I meant physically tied to transport.  Paramedics had their own vehicle.  So if a call comes in for BLS, they were not dispatched.  They were still available for ALS calls.  Now they will be arriving at all calls, even if not needed.  Tying up a paramedic unnecessarily.  I don't see how mathematically service increases with this restructuring.  This was purely financial, which I'm fine with, if the residents benefited financially, not the "friends and family" club.  Which is the real reason behind this move.



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BE real......saving lives....that's more important than all the $$$ in the world....

that's all is said....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...

and so far as I am concerned .......wait time is a false projection.....

better for the residents ??????????   REMS you betcha........also adds jobs....not take away and give to those who in with the "in" crowd...

so all your warbling can't make many of us change our minds.....all of a sudden the critics come out of the closet....AND ...all the talk just goes on and on.




Patches, and in all due respect, this was political for sure. But ROTTENdamians have to face the fact that REMS never returned to the town the ALS money that they billed for. And for that I blame the 'powers that be'. The 'overseers of taxpayer money'. A question all RTTONdamians should be asking the past and present 'powers that be'.....why didn't they force REMS to pay up? Don't make sense.

As far as ambulance service......Mohawk will do just fine. REMS just never ran it like a business....like they promised. Remember, REM'S BLS is nothing more than a cab ride to a hospital if needed. It's the paramedics that is the life line...no matter who employs them. But rest assured that yer not gonna see people bleeding in the streets.

The more important issue is that seems to be unfolding...........is that this was done NOT to save the taxpayer's money....but to pad the pockets of the 'friends and family' club. REMS was the sacrificial lamb and wouldn't be if they did it right years ago. There is more than enough blame to go around.

This is far from over!


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BT agree.....if you want REMS....then ask for it...according to Ch 10 news last nite......

Mohawk will be dispatched if not requested.......and wasn't their ambulance wars years ago in the city???.....

but for the sake of our residents.....yes underhanded and not necessarily in our best interest....
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I meant physically tied to transport.  Paramedics had their own vehicle.  So if a call comes in for BLS, they were not dispatched.  They were still available for ALS calls.  Now they will be arriving at all calls, even if not needed.  Tying up a paramedic unnecessarily.  I don't see how mathematically service increases with this restructuring.  This was purely financial, which I'm fine with, if the residents benefited financially, not the "friends and family" club.  Which is the real reason behind this move.



Glad to see that people understand the level of crookedness behind the way this was done. For some "the means justifies the ends." Unfortunately we have a very corrupt local machine and they find a way to pervert any process.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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aside from the job loss and bickering  

i want to know who switched sides?

is Gadfly now a Democrat  - and what does DVOR have to day about this ?

or is Gadfly showing her Copservative side?

Gadfly, Harry and Wayne all on the same page   what gives......

or maybe it is the other way around

orit is just bumbles way, they have crossed paths and some are only in it for the money  - the some not being the Gadfly

all in all it is a very interesting read over the past 10 years

it is too bad friendships will be broken and the things that now divide rotterdam will fester for 50+ more years.  Cutting off any growth this town might see at the knees

it might be best summed up by the following words



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As I said, the Town needed to finance retirees and, sadly, raises for friends and family members....some being pretty substantial.....especially Mike Viscusi's
daughter....for a previously non-existent position....thus the "need" to eliminate a program that was costing the Town around a half million $ per year.





yep give the Siena Student a raise  - it would be a different story if she had some sheepskin in the game

BIG FU(KING WASTE of $$$$$

and

USELESS TW!T


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BT agree.....if you want REMS....then ask for it...according to Ch 10 news last nite......

Mohawk will be dispatched if not requested.......and wasn't their ambulance wars years ago in the city???.....

but for the sake of our residents.....yes underhanded and not necessarily in our best interest....


legally you WON'T GET REMS....that's a falsehood....you have to call DIRECTLY TO REMS....911 can ONLY CALL those
in the contracts that the government regulates and based on miles to emergency and closest treatment needed...


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Article 30 Section 3003 of Public Health Law states:

§ 5. The REMSCO shall have the responsibility to make determinations of public need for the establishment of additional emergency medical services and ambulance services and to make the determinations of public need as provided in section three thousand eight.

Article 30 Section 3005 of Public Health Law states:

§ 5. No initial certificate (except initial certificates issued pursuant to subdivision two of this section) shall be issued unless the commissioner finds that the proposed operator or operators are competent and fit to operate the service and that the ambulance service or advanced life support first response service is staffed and equipped in accordance with rules and regulations promulgated pursuant to this article.

§ 6. No ambulance service or advanced life support first response service shall begin operation without prior approval of the appropriate REMSCO, or if there is no appropriate REMSCO established such ambulance service or advanced life support first response service shall apply for approval from the state council as to the public need for the establishment of additional ambulance service or advanced life support first response service, pursuant to section three thousand eight of this article.

Article 30 Section 3008 of Public Health Law states:

§ 1. Every application for a determination of public need shall be made in writing to the appropriate REMSCO, shall specify the primary territory within which the applicant requests to operate, be verified under oath, and shall be in such form and contain such information as required by the rules and regulations promulgated pursuant to this article.

§ 2. Notice of the application shall be forwarded by registered or certified mail by the appropriate REMSCO to the chief executive officers of all general hospitals, ambulance services, and municipalities operating within the same county or counties where the service seeks to operate. The notice shall provide opportunity for comment.

§ 3. Notice pursuant to this section shall be deemed filed with the ambulance service and municipality upon being mailed by the appropriate regional or state council by registered or certified mail.

§ 4. The appropriate REMSCO or the state council shall make its determination of public need within sixty days after receipt of the application.

§ 5. The applicant or any concerned party may appeal the determination of the appropriate REMSCO to the state council within thirty days after the REMSCO makes its determination.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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