Quoted from GrahamBonnet

Now it is Rand's fault that we are going to war

When public opinion against Obama policy is negative, he turns his narrative to blame someone else.  Liberals think he is a brilliant politician and claim he threatened the use of force against Syria knowing public opinion was against it, to stall the threatened strike so Putin could propose a last minute deal preventing war.  So the Red Line statements wasn't really sincere, it was rhetorical in order to get his whole plan to play out.  Obama was never advocating strikes, it was just rhetorical to get peace.  He's always been against war.

Yeah, that's what he's doing.  He's brilliant.

Rumor has it PUTIN approached OBAMA, asking him to push for a strike against Syria so that PUTIN could convince ASSAD to relinquish his chemical weapons,
allowing Russia to look like the hero in this situatin and strengthening the ties with their ally Syria. PUTIN told OBAMA that this would improve relationship withthe US, also,
and make OBAMA look good to the Global community. PUTIN convinced OBAMA that this would be a solution that would make both of them equally look like heros! If Assad refused, Putin prmised to step aside and not intervene if the US did a strike.





(TIC)

Quoted from CICERO

When public opinion against Obama policy is negative, he turns his narrative to blame someone else.  Liberals think he is a brilliant politician and claim he threatened the use of force against Syria knowing public opinion was against it, to stall the threatened strike so Putin could propose a last minute deal preventing war.  So the Red Line statements wasn't really sincere, it was rhetorical in order to get his whole plan to play out.  Obama was never advocating strikes, it was just rhetorical to get peace.  He's always been against war.

Yeah, that's what he's doing.  He's brilliant.

Cissy is already backpedaling!  

The truth is that Military force may yet be used in Syria.  If Obama's plan works, the Syrians will
turn over their WMD'S and continue their war.
BUT,
Either Russia or Syria could end this agreement tomorrow, and having tried diplomacy and coercion,
the next step is a strike on Assad's WMD'S.

My guess from what little that I know about this situation, the chance of a military strike at this time
is still (just a guess) 30%.

Israel has the biggest, badest, strongest military in the region...(thanks to the u.s.) they should be dealing with the syrian issue.....if in fact there really is/was one as 'fed' to us!!

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cissy is already backpedaling!  

The truth is that Military force may yet be used in Syria.  If Obama's plan works, the Syrians will
turn over their WMD'S and continue their war.
BUT,
Either Russia or Syria could end this agreement tomorrow, and having tried diplomacy and coercion,
the next step is a strike on Assad's WMD'S.

My guess from what little that I know about this situation, the chance of a military strike at this time
is still (just a guess) 30%.

I'm not back pedaling, you just confirmed it, it was all part of the elaborate plan.  You are advancing the idea that there was some sort of CONSPIRACY between governments.  

Quoted from CICERO

I'm not back pedaling, you just confirmed it, it was all part of the elaborate plan.  You are advancing the idea that there was some sort of CONSPIRACY between governments.  

I was advancing Obama's brilliant plan.  Threaten Syria with attack to "inspire them to action".  Face to
Face talks with Putin, and back door talks between Syrian and Russian emissaries.

It still may all fall apart if any one of the players backs out. If not Russia gets what it wants... the
continuing Assad government and elimination of WMD's that may be used against Russia.
Obama gets what he wants... the elimination of WMD's and a further condemnation of their use with
repercussions to Iran if they used Chemical Weapons.
Assad keeps power unless or until he's overthrown.

LMAO Obama's brilliant plan, more like a epic fail. Putin and the American people put Obama on his a$$ and now he is trying to save it. Only a complete brainwashed idiot would see this as a victory for the Whitehouse. As I said before I'm glad if we can avoid military action but the delayed response was due to the people and not Obama and the Whitehouse who wanted to act without congressional approval.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Syria Accepts Russian Proposal To Surrender Chemical Weapons,

Another Obama Victory!!!

Glad I voted for him!


Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....apons_n_3898941.html

putin doesn't feel threatened by Obama so he 'played' along

An opportunity for Cicero to put his words into action:

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At least 10 Americans have signed up with al Qaeda-related groups in Syria, according to U.S.
intelligence estimates. Sources tell Eli Lake why the country’s civil war is a ‘jihad magnet.’

Quoted Text

The U.S. intelligence community has grown increasingly concerned in recent months about the
flow of European and American nationals to fight with al Qaeda-linked affiliates in Syria’s civil war.

While the number of Americans who have traveled to join the jihad in Syria is low, some members of
the U.S. intelligence community worry that fighters who receive training and battlefield experience
in Syria could return to the West with skills honed by fighting in the country’s civil war.

“At some point all of these people from Europe are going home. All the folks there from all over the
world, including the United States, will be coming home if they do not meet their end on the battlefield,”
said Rep. Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence,
on Tuesday.

Cicero hates the US Govt...
Joining AlQaeda (like his BFFL Anwar al-Awlaki) would be a great experience for Cicero.  He'd get to see
close up and in person how other governments operate and compare them to his HATED US Govt.  

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....elligence-fears.html

Quoted from Box A Rox

An opportunity for Cicero to put his words into action:


Cicero hates the US Govt...
Joining AlQaeda (like his BFFL Anwar al-Awlaki) would be a great experience for Cicero.  He'd get to see
close up and in person how other governments operate and compare them to his HATED US Govt.  

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....elligence-fears.html

Box, aren't these Americans going to fight on the side of the "rebels" we are supporting against Assad an act of patriotism?  They are fighting Americas fight, you should be praising them!  

BTW, I don't measure US goverement despotism against other despitic governments.  That would be like comparing liver cancer with brain cancer and saying hey, at least I don't have brain cancer, I should be happy.

Quoted from CICERO

BTW, I don't measure US goverement despotism against other despitic governments.  That would be like comparing liver cancer with brain cancer and saying hey, at least I don't have brain cancer, I should be happy.

I don't understand why you stay.  The US Govt is Cancer... so you willingly agree to living with Cancer
when you have a choice... WHY?
Leave, (or better yet, run for office and change things).  Why put up with "Cancer" when you don't
have to .  There must be some other govt that you find accommodating...
Unless...
Unless you are just one of those anti authority people who can't stand any authority (even your own).

Quoted from Box A Rox

I don't understand why you stay.  The US Govt is Cancer... so you willingly agree to living with Cancer
when you have a choice... WHY?
Leave, (or better yet, run for office and change things).  Why put up with "Cancer" when you don't
have to .  There must be some other govt that you find accommodating...
Unless...
Unless you are just one of those anti authority people who can't stand any authority (even your own).

I'd rather stick around for the cure to cancer.  

If i must be governed(ruled) then the accommodating gov't is the United States 1789 - 1861.

Quoted from CICERO

I'd rather stick around for the cure to cancer.  
If i must be governed(ruled) then the accommodating gov't is the United States 1789 - 1861.

WoW!  Cicero advocates living in a time when HIS GOVERNMENT approved of slavery, kept women
from voting in fact women had very little rights.  Cicero promotes a government that was actively at
war with it's own native citizens, who also had no rights.
What kid of America does Cicero consider ideal?
How about this:

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In 1814, Major General Andrew Jackson led an expedition against the Creek Indians
climaxing in the Battle of Horse Shoe Bend (in present day Alabama near the Georgia border),
where Jackson’s force soundly defeated the Creeks and destroyed their military power. He
then forced upon the Indians a treaty whereby they surrendered to the United States over
twenty-million acres of their traditional land—about one-half of present day Alabama and
one-fifth of Georgia.

We could rename it the CICERO LAND GRAB!

Or in Cicero's utopia:
Only the rich and landowners could vote... how Democratic!
Even into the 1830's when "most white men" could now vote, women were still not allowed to
vote or seek office.  (A taste of misogyny in Cicero's USA!)
Cicero's America would send federal troops against American citizens making whiskey...
Then impose a Whiskey tax on them.
Cicero would then sign the treaty of Tripoli which says:

Quoted Text

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against
the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],
—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan
[Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious
opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Knowing Cicero's views on US involvement in foreign wars... I'm surprised that Cicero supports
America's bloody wars at home and abroad in his Utopian America:
Cissy then supports:
First Barbary War or
Barbary Coast War or
Tripolitan War
Tecumseh's War or
Tecumseh's Rebellion
War of 1812
Second Barbary War
West Indies Anti-Piracy Operations
First Seminole War
Aegean Anti-Piracy Operations
First Sumatran Expedition
Black Hawk War
Second Seminole War
Second Sumatran Expedition
Capture of Monterey
Mexican–American War
Cayuse War
Bombardment of San Juan del Norte or
Bombardment of Greytown
Third Seminole War
First Fiji Expedition
Paiute Indian War

Who Knew Cicero Was Such A War Monger???
Many of these wars were foreign but many were also against Americans!  

CiceroVille... what a great country!!!

Lol!  I live in a time where the government incarcerates the most people on the planet(a disproportionate percentage minorities), raids homes with heavily armed SWAT teams, a shoot first ask questions later police force, mass surveillance on the entire world, sold its citizens out to the bankers in the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, and a foreign policy over the last 50 years that has kill millions of people either directly with war or indirectly through sanctions.

Times weren't perfect then, but the scope of destruction was far less.  Freedom wasn't perfect, but if you measure the amount of destruction to human life in the name of government, the numbers today are much greater.