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Box A Rox
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It doesn't matter what he said it matters what people know and EVERYONE except you seemed to know they had chemical weapons. I don't need your copy and paste articles to know what is going on.


OK... Henry... Bubby... The purpose of Obama's strike was (and I supported) to degrade Chemical
Weapons in Syria.  
How could I have supported an attack if I didn't believe, as does most of the world, that Assad had
Chemical Weapons.

The interesting part of Assad's agreement was that it was the first time that he PUBLICALLY
ACKNOWLEDGED CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

(It's really not that difficult... try to keep up)


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Syria has never admitted that it had Chemical Weapons... (even though we all knew that it did)

Try to keep up Henry


Hey Boxy....You work for MS/NBC? No really, because you either outright lying or ignorant and making sh!t up as you go.

Not only is it known that Syria has had chemical weapons FOR DECADES, it is also widely known that they have one of the largest stockpiles ON THE PLANET with current estimates of well over 1000 tons.

Try and keep up.







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Syria has never admitted that it had Chemical Weapons... (even though we all knew that it did)

Try to keep up Henry


India

India declared its stock of chemical weapons in June 1997. India's declaration came after the entry into force of the CWC that created the OPCW. India declared a stockpile of 1044 tonnes of sulphur mustard in its possession. On January 14, 1993 India became an original signatory to the CWC. By 2005, from among the six nations that had declared possession of chemical weapons, India was the only one to meet its deadline for chemical weapons destruction and for inspection of its facilities by the OPCW. By the end of 2006, India had destroyed more than 75 percent of its chemical weapons/material stockpile and was granted extension for destroying (the remaining stocks by April 2009) and was expected to achieve 100 percent destruction within that time frame.On May 14, 2009, India informed the United Nations that it has destroyed its stockpile of chemical weapons.


Iraq

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons which oversees destruction measures has announced "The government of Iraq has deposited its instrument of accession to the Chemical Weapons Convention with the Secretary General of the United Nations and within 30 days, on 12 February 2009, will become the 186th State Party to the Convention".[14][15] Iraq has also declared stockpiles of CW, and because of their recent accession is the only State Party exempted from the destruction time-line.[16] On September 7, 2011 Mr. Hoshyar Zebari entered the OPCW headquarters, becoming the first Iraqi Foreign Minister to officially visit since the country joined the CWC.

On June 28, 1987, Iraqi aircraft delivered what was believed to be mustard gas in an attack against the Iranian city of Sardasht. On two separate attacks against four residential areas, victims were estimated as 10 civilians dead and 650 civilians injured.


Japan
Japanese Special Naval Landing Forces wearing gas masks and rubber gloves during a chemical attack near Chapei in the Battle of Shanghai.

Japan stored chemical weapons on the territory of mainland China between 1937 and 1945. The weapons mostly contained a mustard gas-lewisite mixture.[20] The weapons are classified as abandoned chemical weapons under the CWC and Japan has started their destruction in September 2010 in Nanjing using mobile destruction facilities.

Libya

Libya used chemical weapons under Muammar Gaddafi's regime in a war with Chad. In 2003 Gaddafi agreed to accede to the convention in exchange for "rapprochement" with western nations. At the time of the Libyan uprising against Gaddafi, Libya still controlled approximately 11.25 tons of poisonous mustard gas. Because of destabilization, concerns have increased regarding possibilities and likelihood that control of these agents could be lost. With terrorism as a core concern,[22] international bodies are seeking to ensure Libya is held to its obligations under the treaty.[23] Libya's post-Gaddafi National Transitional Council is cooperating with the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons regarding the destruction of all legacy chemical weapons in the country.[24] After assessing the chemical stockpiles the Libyan government will receive a deadline from the OPCW to destroy the weapons.[25]


Russia
Chemical weapons stored in Russia

Russia entered the CWC with the largest declared stockpile of chemical weapons. By 2010 the country had destroyed 18,241 tonnes at destruction facilities located in Gorny (Saratov Oblast) and Kambarka (Udmurt Republic)—where operations have finished—and Shchuchye (Kurgan Oblast), Maradykovsky (Kirov Oblast), Leonidovka (Penza Oblast) while installations are under construction in Pochep (Bryansk Oblast) and Kizner (Udmurt Republic).


United States

The U.S. stored its chemical weapons at eight U.S. Army installations within the Continental United States (CONUS). The stockpiles were maintained in exclusion zones[28] at the following Department of Army installations (the percentages shown are reflections of amount by weight): Tooele Army Depot (TEAD), Utah (42.3% of total stockpile); Pine Bluff Arsenal (PBA), Arkansas (12%); Umatilla Depot Activity (UMDA), Oregon (11.6%); Pueblo Depot Activity (PUDA), Colorado (9.9%); Anniston Army Depot (ANAD), Alabama (7.1%); Aberdeen Proving Ground (APG), Maryland (5%); Newport Army Ammunition Plant (NAAP), Indiana (3.9%); and Blue Grass Army Depot (BGAD), Kentucky (1.6%). The remaining 6.6% was located on Johnston Atoll in the Pacific Ocean.

Currently stockpiles have been eliminated at Johnston Atoll, APG, NAAP, UMDA, PBATEAD., and ANAD. PUDA will begin elimination during FY 2015, and complete in FY 2017. BGAD will be last to complete this elimination which tentative dates have not been set.

The U.S. policy on the use of chemical weapons is to reserve the right to retaliate. First use, or preemptive use, is a violation of stated policy. Only the president of the United States can authorize the first retaliatory use. Official policy now reflects the likelihood of chemical weapons being used as a terrorist weapon.


Non-CWC states with stockpiles
North Korea

North Korea is not a signatory of CWC and has never officially acknowledged the existence of its offensive CW program. Nevertheless, the country is believed to possess a substantial arsenal of chemical weapons. It reportedly acquired the technology necessary to produce tabun and mustard gas as early as the 1950s.


Syria

Syria is one of only 7 states which are not party to the Chemical Weapons Convention. However, it is party to the 1925 Geneva Protocol prohibiting the use of chemical weapons in war but has nothing to say about production, storage or transfer.

Syrian officials have stated that they feel it appropriate to have some deterrent against Israel's similarly non-admitted nuclear weapons program when questioned about the topic, but only on July 23, 2012, the Syrian government acknowledged for the first time that it had chemical weapons

Independent assessments indicate that Syrian production could be up to a combined total of a few hundred tons of chemical agent per year. Syria reportedly manufactures Sarin, Tabun, VX, and mustard gas types of chemical weapons.[40]

Syrian chemical weapons production facilities have been identified by Western nonproliferation experts at approximately 5 sites, plus one suspected weapons base:



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A TLDR version of Obama foreign policy during the past week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuL687HGfjI

Oh and worst speech ever...Even GWB wasn't that bad on his worst day.




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
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President Obama and his hapless foreign policy team is an EXTREME embarrassment to our nation.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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I'm glad war seems for the time being averted. I could care less politically how or why this happened. Let's hope common sense prevails moving forward.
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Hey Boxy....You work for MS/NBC? No really, because you either outright lying or ignorant and making sh!t up as you go.
Not only is it known that Syria has had chemical weapons FOR DECADES, it is also widely known that they have one of the largest stockpiles ON THE PLANET with current estimates of well over 1000 tons.
Try and keep up.


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Syria has never admitted that it had Chemical Weapons... (even though we all knew that it did)

I stand by my post!

Oh, BTW, President Barack Hussein Obama agrees with me... Transcript from yesterday's speech
on Syria, the president said:
The Assad regime has now admitted that it has these weapons, and even said they’d join
the Chemical Weapons Convention, which prohibits their use.

So to Bucky and Henry... again, TRY TO KEEP UP OK?


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The Randy Rebuttal (GULP)

What You Missed By Not Watching Rand Paul’s Response



10:05 p.m.: Before he speaks, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul has already proved one thing: he
can get from a Fox television studio to his Capitol Hill office quicker than you can bake brownies.
Those just tuning in don’t know that this is actually Paul’s second rebuttal of the evening,
following an appearance on Fox News immediately after Obama’s address.

10:06 p.m.: In the first 20 seconds, Paul delivers a polite salutation, a reminder that it’s been
12 years since 9/11 attacks and a statement that Obama wants the U.S. “to be allies with
al Qaeda.” He does not explain which actions, exactly, amount to the world’s worst friend request.

10:06 p.m.: Paul takes an uncomfortable swallow, immediately conjuring the image of another
Republican Senator who recently had a dry mouth during a certain rebuttal—and creating a
second layer of tension. Will this be a third Watergate?

10:06 p.m.: Paul says that just because Obama has threatened force in Syria, that doesn’t mean
the U.S. has to follow through. “I would argue that America’s credibility does not reside in one
man,” he says, much like a political party’s credibility does not reside in one member. The GOP
did not invite Paul to make this address. He is speaking as “a concerned Senator.”

10:07 p.m.: Paul swallows.

10:07 p.m.: It has taken just over a minute for Paul to mention the Gipper. He says that Reagan’s
defense secretary made two crucial points about getting involved in the Middle East: Americans
must support any involvement and, “most importantly, our mission must be to win.” But there
is no clear mission in Syria, he says, so winning isn’t possible. He swallows.

10:07 p.m.: The Senator criticizes the notion of “unbelievably small” military action
(a bumbled phrase used earlier in the week by John Kerry), saying something that size wouldn’t
be effective anyway—much like an unbelievably small bottle of Poland Spring. He swallows and
embarks on a series of rhetorical questions about whether a U.S. strike would make things more
or less likely, such as Israel being attacked or Assad losing control of chemical weapons.

10:08 p.m.: Paul answers his questions in one fell swoop: “Just about any bad outcome you
can imagine is made more likely by the U.S. involvement in the Syrian civil war.” He takes
another hard swallow.

10:09 p.m.: Speaking about the possibility for diplomacy to succeed, Paul wonders aloud whether
Russia and Syria can be trusted to turn over all Syria’s chemical weapons to the international
community. He cocks his head dubiously. He then quotes a mantra Obama also used in multiple
interviews on his media supertour the day before: We must trust but verify.

10:09 p.m.: “Some will say that only the threat of force brought Russia and Syria to the negotiating
table,” Paul says. He’s talking about Obama, who said something like that on Monday and Tuesday
night, arguing that the threat was “in part” responsible for the diplomatic option. Paul also takes
credit.

10:10 p.m.: ”Will diplomacy win the day?” Paul asks. “No one can tell for certain.” Any viewer
listening closely would have known that answer was coming. Seconds before, Paul just said “one
thing is for certain”—that “the chance for diplomacy would not have occurred without strong
voices against an immediate bombing campaign.”

10:10: Paul lauds the President for seeking congressional approval before a military strike. But
he says he’ll still vote against any authorization. He swallows and discusses the writings of
James Madison on the subject of checks and balances.

10:10 p.m.: Quoting a line from an open letter he released earlier in the week opposing military
intervention, he says he will not send “my son, your son or anyone’s daughter” to war without
a more compelling justification than what Obama has given. Whether he would send your dentist’s
son is not clarified.

10:11 p.m.: Paul closes with an invocation, just like Obama did, but rather than request a blessing,
he asks for guidance: “May God help us to make the wise decision here,” he says, and presumably
sprints toward the nearest garden hose.

10:12 p.m.: Those watching Fox News see the feed break away from Paul and back to host Greta
Van Susteren. Seemingly perplexed by what has just occurred, she turns to guest Karl Rove for
answers. “I’m just curious, Karl, if you know, I suspect that he elected to make that response?”
she says. “He was not chosen by his party or by the leadership to do this? And we just, we elected
to take the speech?” Rove responds.

Time
http://swampland.time.com/2013.....TIME%3A+Swampland%29


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So to Bucky and Henry... again, TRY TO KEEP UP OK?


Keep up? you are the one that is years behind, Obama or you didn't say anything that I or anyone here hasn't known for a looooong time. Obama said what he wanted the idiots who didn't know about this what they wanted to hear, sadly you fall into that category.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Thank you Rand for standing with the majority of the people



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Keep up? you are the one that is years behind, Obama or you didn't say anything that I or anyone here hasn't known for a looooong time.


Oh Really?
DId you know that Syria hadn't admitted to even having Chemical Weapons???
When confronted with evidence of chemical weapons use, they would never even acknowledge that they
had any until President Obama forced them to admit it and will now possibly dismantle them.


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Oh Really?
DId you know that Syria hadn't admitted to even having Chemical Weapons???
When confronted with evidence of chemical weapons use, they would never even acknowledge that they
had any until President Obama forced them to admit it and will now possibly dismantle them.


They don't have to admit something that everyone knows, we know Israel is a nuclear country however they will not admit it either or become part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, would it be a shock to you if they admitted their nuclear arsenal, probably not because you already knew they existed. When you have actual news then share it.


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They don't have to admit something that everyone knows, we know Israel is a nuclear country however they will not admit it either or become part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, would it be a shock to you if they admitted their nuclear arsenal, probably not because you already knew they existed. When you have actual news then share it.


Israeli PM admits to nuclear weapons

Tuesday, 12 December , 2006  08:11:00

Israel's Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, during a visit to Germany, admitting that his country possesses
nuclear weapons.

"Israel is a democracy and does not threaten anyone. The only thing we have tried to do is to
live without threats of terror, but we've never threatened anyone with annihilation. And can you
say this in the same level while Iran is aspiring to have nuclear weapons, like America, like France,
like Israel and Russia".


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Now it is Rand's fault that we are going to war


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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