Your chart shows no direct correlation... between gun owners and murder by guns. (AND???) My chart shows a direct relation between 'gun laws' and deaths by guns.
And your chart hides behind the suicide factor, which is WELL over 50% of total gun deaths.. The national argument is not over suicides by guns, it's murders by guns..and your chart can't show that those gun murders would be/are reduced by stricter gun laws.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
If you superimposed poverty rates over that map, I'm betting it would correlate fairly well.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
And your chart hides behind the suicide factor, which is WELL over 50% of total gun deaths.. The national argument is not over suicides by guns, it's murders by guns..and your chart can't show that those gun murders would be/are reduced by stricter gun laws.
And YOU define what is the 'national argument? I think not! :P
If good gun laws (like background checks and gun locks) would eliminate US suicides, we could cut the number of gun deaths IN HALF! Or are you against reducing the number of gun deaths, even if by suicide?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And YOU define what is the 'national argument? I think not! :P
If good gun laws (like background checks and gun locks) would eliminate US suicides, we could cut the number of gun deaths IN HALF! Or are you against reducing the number of gun deaths, even if by suicide?
I don't define it, the nation does... Look at the articles for tougher gun laws...they mention Columbine, Sandy Hook..etc..they mention the INNOCENT lives taken away. I have not seen one article tying gun laws and suicide....because frankly, it's not a winning argument for the anti-gun crowd... they need to get people to believe that stricter gun laws will by default, reduce the amount of violence that the public wants to see reduced...gun murders...and they can't do it by pulling out the suicides..because the proof is not there...
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Guns injure or kill 10,000 children in the U.S. every year
Injuries from firearms send more than 7,000 kids to the hospital annually, an average of 20 per day. Among those admitted to the hospital, 6 percent die from their injuries.
Good Gun Laws can protect all of us. An example: NY's SAFE ACT You are required to safely store your gun if you live with someone who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection.
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Intimate partner homicides account for roughly 50% of women killed each year. Women are 3.5 times more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. The risk of homicides in the home is drastically increased when firearms exist in the home. In 2011, 30% of intimate partner homicides in Long Island and Upstate New York were caused by firearms. In 2010, 46% of such homicides were caused by firearms. In 2005, nearly 15% of the rejected firearm transfer or permit applications were based on the applicant having been convicted of a domestic violence offense or being subject to a restraining order.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I have not seen one article tying gun laws and suicide....
Harvard School Of Public Health: In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one. Perhaps the real tragedy behind suicide deaths—about 30,000 a year, one for every 45 attempts—is that so many could be prevented. Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms.
A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Guns injure or kill 10,000 children in the U.S. every year
Injuries from firearms send more than 7,000 kids to the hospital annually, an average of 20 per day. Among those admitted to the hospital, 6 percent die from their injuries.
Good Gun Laws can protect all of us. An example: NY's SAFE ACT You are required to safely store your gun if you live with someone who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection.
Laws do not protect us by default, people have to follow them...criminals and mentally deranged people typically don't, that's why they are what they are. Sometimes, even people that are not criminals don't follow the law. I know of several acquaintances who have no criminal record , that have handgun permits that are NOT concealed carry, and they carry them concealed on a regular basis.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Harvard School Of Public Health: In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one. Perhaps the real tragedy behind suicide deaths—about 30,000 a year, one for every 45 attempts—is that so many could be prevented. Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms.
A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides.
The Harvard school of public health does not lead NBC, CBS, CNN or ABC news. The articles that those organizations present do not include suicide.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Laws do not protect us by default, people have to follow them...criminals and mentally deranged people typically don't, that's why they are what they are. Sometimes, even people that are not criminals don't follow the law. I know of several acquaintances who have no criminal record , that have handgun permits that are NOT concealed carry, and they carry them concealed on a regular basis.
So YOU as a responsible gun owner... do you have a problem with a law that requires YOU to lock up YOUR guns if there is a felon or someone mentally impaired or someone with an order of protection against them, living in your house? YOU can prevent gun deaths in these cases and GOOD GUN LAWS can keep guns out of the hands of murders.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So YOU as a responsible gun owner... do you have a problem with a law that requires YOU to lock up YOUR guns if there is a felon or someone mentally impaired or someone with an order of protection against them, living in your house? YOU can prevent gun deaths in these cases and GOOD GUN LAWS can keep guns out of the hands of murders.
First, I don't even own a gun...no rifle, no shotgun, no handgun. "Good" gun laws have NOT been proven to keep guns out of the hands of murderers..not in any appreciable degree.. The district of Columbia has the toughest gun laws in the nation, but BY FAR, has the highest gun murder rate in the US.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
First, I don't even own a gun...no rifle, no shotgun, no handgun. "Good" gun laws have NOT been proven to keep guns out of the hands of murderers..not in any appreciable degree..
The section of NY's SAFE ACT could have prevented the Sandy Hook School shooting. Adam Lanza's mom was a GunHugger, but if she had been required to lock up her guns (due to her son having severe mental issues) all the killings in Sandy Hook could have been prevented.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Safe Storage Q: When am I required to safely store my gun?
A: You are required to safely store your gun if you live with someone who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection.
Does anyone have a problem with this part of the SAFE ACT?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The section of NY's SAFE ACT could have prevented the Sandy Hook School shooting. Adam Lanza's mom was a GunHugger, but if she had been required to lock up her guns (due to her son having severe mental issues) all the killings in Sandy Hook could have been prevented.
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COULD have...not would have... Getting back to the Suicide factor.. the US ranked 33rd in the world for total SUICIDES per-capita. The Countries that ranked higher, especially the ones near the top, have VERY strict guns laws...It comes down to the adage, if there's the will, there's a way..I don't see why the US would be ANY different.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
COULD have...not would have... Getting back to the Suicide factor.. the US ranked 33rd in the world for total SUICIDES per-capita. The Countries that ranked higher, especially the ones near the top, have VERY strict guns laws...It comes down to the adage, if there's the will, there's a way..I don't see why the US would be ANY different.
Suicide rate.
Countries with similar cultures like England, Canada and Australia have a much lower rate of suicide, and they all have much stricter gun laws than the USA.
Rate of Gun Ownership: USA 89 guns per 100 residents.
Canada 30 guns per 100 residents.
Australia 15 guns per 100 residents.
England 6 guns per 100 residents.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Countries with similar cultures like England, Canada and Australia have a much lower rate of suicide, and they all have much stricter gun laws than the USA.
Rate of Gun Ownership: USA 89 guns per 100 residents.
Canada 30 guns per 100 residents.
Australia 15 guns per 100 residents.
England 6 guns per 100 residents.
None of those countries you mentioned are even in the top half of lowest rate of suicide. The data still shows that even though the US has one of highest gun ownership rates in the world, that does not necessarily equate to the most suicides per capita or murder rates for that matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) The gun is only an instrument, there are MANY ways to end your life, and if a gun is not available, the person will just use another instrument.
I am not against reasonable gun laws, what I am against is the argument that just passing the laws will curb violence in general....The argument is a great propaganda tool, but falls short in actually being true...
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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