Quoted from Box A Rox

rationalization  
1. to ascribe (one's acts, opinions, etc.) to causes that superficially seem reasonable and valid
but that actually are unrelated to the true, possibly unconscious and often less creditable or
agreeable causes.
2. to invent plausible explanations for acts, opinions, etc., that are actually based on other causes
3.  To devise self-satisfying but false or inconsistent reasons for one's behavior, especially
as an unconscious defense mechanism through which irrational acts or feelings are made to
appear rational to oneself.

and in America....rationally YOU are innocent until proven guilty...that includes the use of a firearm legally or illegally
murder/suicide or whatever you want to call it.....

and end to you action prescribed by your choice is what a jury will decide...until then LIVE FREE

why can't I have a high capacity magazine? there are high capacity abortions....under cooked humans are everywhere

SEMINOLE, Fla. - As a pawn shop owner, Frank James was always a big believer in gun rights and the second
amendment. After all, it was his bread and butter business.

But after what he saw in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday, he's had a change of heart. "I basically broke into
tears and looked up on the wall, seeing the types of firearms I am selling," James said.

At the Loan Star Pawn store in Seminole, a glass display case that once housed several Bushmaster AR-15
assault rifles is now empty. The glass counters normally filled with handguns has been completely cleared.

"I'm not going to be part of it anymore," James said. He has several copies of the exact rifle suspected in
the massacre.

"The model, the brand, everything," he said.

The father of four said he was especially touched knowing that his youngest child, a six-year old daughter,
was the same age as many of those children who were shot to death.

"I dropped my daughter off at school this morning. That was enough for me," James said. "Conscience
wins over making money."

[...] James said he thought long and hard over the weekend about what can happen after he sells
somebody a firearm. He considered the possibility that the shooter's mother could have bought
weapons from his store.

"I probably would have sold a firearm to that woman thinking she's buying it for her own defense,
and then something like that happens," he said, referring to Friday's massacre. "That's something I
couldn't live with."

His store is filled with nostalgia, like vintage telephones and cash registers. Guitars hang on the
back wall, and fishing poles are displayed overhead. There's even a few sealed boxes of discontinued
Hostess treats in a display case.

But twinkle sales can't come close to the thousands of dollars worth of guns he could have sold.

"It'll probably cause my business to go out of business," James said. "I couldn't live with myself if one
of my firearms went out, got in the wrong hands and killed an innocent person, let alone a child," he said.

"We need more gun control."

good for him.....HIS CHOICE.......he's a drop in a hurricane of humans.......but if that's what he needs no jury will convict him
of wrong....simple....


the person who shows up at ANY venue and kills a bunch of folks will be convicted by a jury....THEIR CHOICE......simple

we are finite creatures. death is everywhere all the time.....simple....

Yup his store his rules, I won't fault him for his decision to get rid of his, saying that people shouldn't fault those who keep theirs.

Another petition, lets see if they will lead by example

https://petitions.whitehouse.g.....-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

Quoted from Henry

Another petition, lets see if they will lead by example

https://petitions.whitehouse.g.....-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

I can not support such a bill.

I would support a bill requiring all government and police must be allowed nothing more than a concealed carry person could have.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

I can not support such a bill.

I would support a bill requiring all government and police must be allowed nothing more than a concealed carry person could have.

they won't go for it....they will say they need a bigger 'stick' than the criminals.......see,,,,what goes around comes
around....I wonder if Box finds themself inferior to the police and that the police/government gods can have bigger
sticks because they are ABOVE box????

An Eight-Year-Old 'Accidentally' Kills Himself With A Gun: Who’s Responsible?

In October 2008, in Massachusetts, EIGHT-year-old Christopher Bizilj, while shooting a fully automatic
Micro UZI submachine gun, blew himself away. He was at the Westfield Sportman’s Club at an event
put on by the Pelham police chief, Edward Fleury. Christopher’s father, Charles, was fiddling around
with his video camera when the incident occurred.

Charles Bizilj sued the suppliers of the gun and ammunition they leased at the expo. They settled
for $700,000.

The Commonwealth of Massachusetts filed charges of involuntary manslaughter and three counts
of furnishing machine guns to minors against Edward Fleury, police chief of Pelham and organizer
of the C.O.P. Firearms and Training Machine Gun Shoot.

At the 2011 trial, Edward Fleury was found innocent of all charges.

After Fleury’s trial the charges were dropped against Carl Giuffre and Domenico Spano, subcontractors
to Fleury’s Machine Gun Shoot.

The 15-year-old range supervisor who was the “handler” for Christopher’s shooting experience,
testified that he twice suggested the boy’s father pick a less powerful weapon for the boy to
shoot. The father insisted.

It bears repeating…THE FATHER INSISTED

Back to responsibility; who was ultimately responsible for this very senseless act?

The Westfield Sportsman’s Club?
C.O.P. Firearms and Training owner Police Chief Edward Fleury?
Carl Giuffre and Domenico Spano, subcontractors to Chief Fleury?
Fifteen-year-old Michael Spano, son of Domenico Spano?
The insistent Charles Bizilj?
Apparently the answer is NOBODY. It, like hundreds of other “firearms accidents” that happen
each year, will be blamed on nobody except very poor luck. And therein lies the problem in a
world where nobody is adjudicated “responsible” for an EIGHT-year-old boy’s ability to play
with firearms that were too powerful for his untrained mind and body. And he paid the price.

If gun owners and the NRA want to contribute to this conversation on gun violence, this is a
really easy place for them to start. And for those who want to regulate guns, this example of
avoidance of responsibility by society is a good place to begin to work at the edges of the
gun violence problem.

http://shootfromthelefthip.wordpress.com/

The owner of the gun is responsible.

The manufacturer did nothing wrong.

The jury was sympathetic likely because the prosecutor likely lost the case on purpose.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

The owner of the gun is responsible.
The manufacturer did nothing wrong.
The jury was sympathetic likely because the prosecutor likely lost the case on purpose.

If this were about an 8 year old who died driving a car:
~If a dad allowed an 8 year old... the dad would be responsible.
~If a sportsman venue allowed an 8 year old to drive a car... they would be held responsible.
~If a police chief allowed an 8 year old... the police chief would be responsible.

When guns are involved... no one is responsible.

New laws being proposed would make a gun owner responsible for what happens to his guns.  If they are
stolen or lost, he would be responsible to notify the authorities.
If they are left unlocked... the gun owner would be responsible for what happens with his unlocked guns.

In NY State, the "Key in the Ignition Statute" makes the car owner responsible for deaths connected with
their stolen vehicle.  But if they left a gun on the car seat they would not be liable for the gun injuries.

Time to make the gun owner responsible for his negligence.

Quoted from Box A Rox

New laws being proposed would make a gun owner responsible for what happens to his guns.  If they are
stolen or lost, he would be responsible to notify the authorities.
If they are left unlocked... the gun owner would be responsible for what happens with his unlocked guns.

Most gun owners already understand that they are responsible for their guns, and take precautions to keep them
safe from the wrong hands.

Quoted from Box A Rox

In NY State, the "Key in the Ignition Statute" makes the car owner responsible for deaths connected with
their stolen vehicle.  But if they left a gun on the car seat they would not be liable for the gun injuries.

.

So you want a victim of a crime to be guilty of a crime because of the actions of a criminals crime, wow. That would be like arresting a rape victim for wearing a short skirt, obviously she was asking it for it right box  

What if a crack head steals my chop saw and cuts his hand off and bleeds to death?  I'm criminally responsible?

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Most gun owners already understand that they are responsible for their guns, and take precautions to keep them
safe from the wrong hands.

L4Life is LONG on 'opinion' but SHORT on 'FACTS'...

ABC NEWS:
In a study of 286 parents visiting emergency rooms in North Carolina, researchers found 99 percent
of the households reported having at least one smoke detector, while only 57 percent said they locked
away guns in a place where kids could not get access them.

In 1998, 55 percent of gun deaths among children aged 10 to 18 in North Carolina were homicides.
Thirty-nine percent were suicides.

"In North Carolina, the majority of gun deaths among [kids] are … suicides," says Coyne-Beasley.
"Most teens … who commit suicide do it with a gun they find in the home.

I know...FACTS suck... Opinion is much easier to post!  

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117480&page=1#.UN9_zG9b4aI