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the government suppresses knowledge and truth all in the name of fear and control.....it's just done with different words
and in a new century to a new generation....


The government costumes worn by government agents are equivalent to the Chastibule worn by priests.  


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The government costumes worn by government agents are equivalent to the Chastibule worn by priests.  


I believe the Catholic Church is less homicidal than the government.

Although they have called for the death of witches and blasphemers in the past.

The Christians like the Muslims, have extremists that adopt and modify their beliefs into a license to kill.

The Christians also use the cloth as a license to "love" children.

Maybe other religions do as well, but I never heard of a Muslim or Jewish child molester.


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I believe the Catholic Church is less homicidal than the government.

Although they have called for the death of witches and blasphemers in the past.

The Christians like the Muslims, have extremists that adopt and modify their beliefs into a license to kill.

The Christians also use the cloth as a license to "love" children.

Maybe other religions do as well, but I never heard of a Muslim or Jewish child molester.




The catholic church has A LOT of notches on their belt, both in actual deaths and in spiritual deaths...not sure which
they would label them in the level of their catechism sins.....

death by gun=death by cross=death by drone

molestation by law=molestation by priest=molestation by sanctions


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Going by the BJS fatal gun violence is down almost 40% and overall gun violence is down almost 70% in the last 2 decades.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Maybe other religions do as well, but I never heard of a Muslim or Jewish child molester.




Do some reading....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The Tree Of Liberty



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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That was cute box.  Health insurance, on the "tree of liberty".

Age of death:

Washington - 67
Jefferson - 83
John Adams - 90
Franklin - 84
John Jay - 83

Average life expectancy for men in 2012 - 76 years.

Wow!  The founders surpassed the life expectancy of modern American men without universal health insurance and the modern hospital.  Sh!t, they didn't even have electricity for most of their lives.


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That was cute box.  Health insurance, on the "tree of liberty".

Age of death:

Washington - 67
Jefferson - 83
John Adams - 90
Franklin - 84
John Jay - 83

Average life expectancy for men in 2012 - 76 years.

Wow!  The founders surpassed the life expectancy of modern American men without universal health insurance and the modern hospital.  Sh!t, they didn't even have electricity for most of their lives.


These are the 1% of their time.  They didn't go without health care, but the masses did and their
short lifespan shows it.

Interesting that you bring up the subject of Govt health care:

Our LIBERAL founding fathers were the first of a long line of US leaders to support govt healthcare:

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Republicans have claimed time and time again that health care mandates and government
run health care is unconstitutional. They have also consistently slammed liberals for being the ones
that introduce such programs and laws.
What they fail to recognize is that health care mandates and government run health care dates
all the way back to the Founding Fathers.
In 1798, John Adams signed the very first health care mandate into law.   The law
required sailors to pay a tax to the United States government which in turn would provide medical
care to them.
The next President, Thomas Jefferson,  approved of this program as well, since he never challenged
it, nor did he ever try to repeal it. According to Republican logic, Adams and Jefferson are a couple
big government liberals.






The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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These are the 1% of their time.  They didn't go without health care, but the masses did and their
short lifespan shows it.

Interesting that you bring up the subject of Govt health care:

Our LIBERAL founding fathers were the first of a long line of US leaders to support govt healthcare:



LOL!  Box is referencing John Adams!  

Hey box, John Adams passed the Alien and Sedition Act too.  Maybe you should quote that to justify Obama listening to the AP's communications.  

BTW...The Act you talk about was a tax levied on the owner of the vessel, and it was for "temporary relief" for sailors medical problems.  Every citizen didn't have to pay for the healthcare of sailors, and every citizen didn't have to pay an insurance company their money.

It was a good try box.  


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LOL!  Box is referencing John Adams!  
Hey box, John Adams passed the Alien and Sedition Act too.  Maybe you should quote that to justify Obama listening to the AP's communications.  
BTW...The Act you talk about was a tax levied on the owner of the vessel, (FALSE) and it was for "temporary relief" for sailors medical problems.  Every citizen didn't have to pay for the healthcare of sailors, and every citizen didn't have to pay an insurance company their money.
It was a good try box.  


Good try??? LMAO!  IT was a slam dunk, and you know it.

I love it when Cicero MAKE UP FACTS AS IF THEY WERE TRUE... He'd make a good Republican!!!
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It created the Marine Hospital Service,~NOTE TO CICERO
a series of hospitals built and operated by the federal government~
to treat injured and ailing privately employed sailors.
(~NOTE TO CICERO) This government provided healthcare service
was to be paid for by a mandatory tax on the maritime sailors (a little more than 1% of a
sailor’s wages), the same to be withheld from a sailor’s pay and turned over to the government by
the ship’s owner. The payment of this tax for health care was not optional. If a sailor
wanted to work, he had to pay up.


In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed -
“An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.”

Really Cicero... you don't have to lie about it... We all know you're full of Bull $hit, but it's kind of foolish
on your part to prove it in writing on the board.  

Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ri.....h-insurance-in-1798/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Box, it was commerce regulation.  It wasn't universal healthcare.  The fee was levied on the vessel and the captain of the vessel was authorized to collect it from the sailors wage.  The government didn't collect it directly from the sailor.  

It would be like saying a truck driving company that is regulated and has to take workmen's compensation insurance out on their drivers and saying that's evidence for universal healthcare.

Please box...try to think for yourself for once.  I know you get a heart-on when interpret history to fit your agenda.

You need to stop comparing apples to coconuts.  It's called a false analogy fallacy.  




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Box, it was commerce regulation.  It wasn't universal healthcare.  The fee was levied on the vessel and the captain of the vessel was authorized to collect it from the sailors wage.  The government didn't collect it directly from the sailor.  
It would be like saying a truck driving company that is regulated and has to take workmen's compensation insurance out on their drivers and saying that's evidence for universal healthcare.
Please box...try to think for yourself for once.  I know you get a heart-on when interpret history to fit your agenda.
You need to stop comparing apples to coconuts.  It's called a false analogy fallacy.  


Cic... you can keep lying if you want to... all the same to me, but you know you are wrong on this.  

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An Act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen was passed by the 5th
Congress. It was signed by President John Adams on July 16, 1798. The Act
authorized the deduction of twenty cents per month from the wages
of seamen, for the sole purpose of funding medical care for sick and disabled
seamen, as well as building additional hospitals for the treatment of seamen.

This was the first Federal mandate levied on individuals for health insurance,
preceding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare"), passed
in early 2010, by nearly 212 years.


Just as your employer is required to withhold TAX from your paycheck, this Federal Health Insurance
Tax on sailors was withheld from the sailors wages and paid to the govt by the employer.

See below:
Section one of the Act directed each master of a vessel of the Unites States, arriving from a foreign port into any port of the United States to pay to the Collector at the arrival port twenty cents per month from each seaman on board the vessel, which sum he was authorized to withhold from the wages of said seamen.

Section two of the Act forbid Collectors from renewing the license of vessels in the coasting trade unless the master of said vessel complied with the provisions of the Act and provided a penalty of a one hundred dollar fine for a master's failure to comply.

Section three of the Act directed Collectors to deliver funds collected under the Act to the Secretary of the Treasury on a quarterly basis. It further authorized the President of the United States to use the funds for the treatment of sick and disabled seamen in existing hospitals and facilities.

Section four of the Act authorized and directed the President of the United States to use surplus funds collected under the Act to build additional hospitals at the ports of the United States.

Section five of the Act authorized the President to appoint directors for each port, to direct the spending of funds at each port and to account for the use of said funds. The directors were appointed solely by the President and served at his pleasure.

See Cicero???  You are wrong yet again.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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