Why are you and your president against a trial to prove the probable cause then? It may have been justified, but the facts haven't been verified through due process. You have no desire to allow US citizens check the power of the government to execute a citizen even AFTER THE FACT. You have homicidal tendencies so I'm not surprised you choose B to support killing without ever having to justify it.
Maybe in an early time... when Governments ran the terror networks, the USA could have used other means to capture your BFFL Anwar al-Awlaki. Today, operating in a country where there is little semblance of any kind of Government... where capture would probably mean dozens of US and US operatives being killed in the process... capture was almost impossible. As with a SWAT decision, take the very serious step of killing a US Citizen, or risk the lives of many citizens, Yemeni agents and our own agents in the field.
To my knowledge, this is the first and only time a US citizen has been targeted with Drones. Of course the number of US citizens killed by past US Presidents would probably number in the hundreds if not thousands through out the world as spies or counter intelligence agents end up vanishing or killed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Maybe in an early time... when Governments ran the terror networks, the USA could have used other means to capture your BFFL Anwar al-Awlaki. Today, operating in a country where there is little semblance of any kind of Government... where capture would probably mean dozens of US and US operatives being killed in the process... capture was almost impossible.
As with a SWAT decision, take the very serious step of killing a US Citizen, or risk the lives of many citizens, Yemeni agents and our own agents in the field.
I'm giving you the argument that it may have been too dangerous to capture Al-Awlaki. But that is making the presumption that he was guilty of something. There was no arrest warrant, and no charges of a crime. All I am suggesting is that AFTER he was executed, in a lawful country, the government at that point should stand trial to prove their case of justifiable homicide. Al-Awlaki may be a murderous pig, but without a trial and a defense against the charges, what we have is a king executing his subjects.
Bill Clinton targeted BinLaden in the 90's and almost killed him, but decided not to take the risk of killing unidentified 'others' in the attack. Bin Laden was never targeted again until after he killed 3500 people in the Sept 11th attacks.
If today's Predator Drones were available to Clinton, the Sept 11 attacks would have never happened... and 3500 would not have died there.
You may look at AlQaeda as just a bunch of misunderstood gentlemen... but the rest of the worlds sees them for what they are.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......and jesus rose from the dead.....hahahahahahahahaha.....that's some religion you have going on there...
god vs devil america vs alqaeda
dont forget to genuflect
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
we can all agree that this was a tragedy....but it wasn't MINE....K? i don't feel any more pain for these kids as i do for the thousands of heart breaking mother's who buried their kids in other countries that were killed by u.s. soldiers under the u.s. government orders to do so.
murder is murder ............. plain and simple.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Somehow this thread got hijacked! Anyway, back to the issue on gun control and the tragedy in Newtown, where were the trigger locks on these weapons, how about a secured gun cabinet/safe, and ammo stored in a different secured cabinet? The world has known how lethal these weapons are and the kind of destruction they are capable of since their invention. If you can't control gun ownership, can't you at least control how they are stored? If you purchase a gun you have to purchase the appropriate security devices to render them inoperable until the owner decides to use them, and this has to be proven prior to the gun sale. We can never totally remove all the failsafes but it seems the lethal consequences should support this. You can buy the gun, but you need to purchase the security they warrant. My spouse and I don't own guns, but if I had a Glock, its security and safety when not in use would be paramount. This means no access to the gun except by me, no keys left on a hook for others accessibility.
the kid would have either found another gun from someone/somewhere else or used other means.
don't believe all the smoke and mirrors from the lame stream media....we will never know the TRUTH
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Somehow this thread got hijacked! Anyway, back to the issue on gun control and the tragedy in Newtown, where were the trigger locks on these weapons, how about a secured gun cabinet/safe, and ammo stored in a different secured cabinet? The world has known how lethal these weapons are and the kind of destruction they are capable of since their invention. If you can't control gun ownership, can't you at least control how they are stored? If you purchase a gun you have to purchase the appropriate security devices to render them inoperable until the owner decides to use them, and this has to be proven prior to the gun sale. We can never totally remove all the failsafes but it seems the lethal consequences should support this. You can buy the gun, but you need to purchase the security they warrant. My spouse and I don't own guns, but if I had a Glock, its security and safety when not in use would be paramount. This means no access to the gun except by me, no keys left on a hook for others accessibility.
Great in theory, but when adults still leave a a child in a running car and that child and car go through a garage when he drops it in gear, I have little faith in those adults to secure anything.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Teachers shouldn't have guns for the same reason that jail guards aren't allowed to have guns. There is far too much of a likelyhood that the gun will end up in the wrong hands.
“I had a lot of bad people after me and I carried a gun every place I went. . . But for me, guns are more than that. In fact, the most important part of guns as far as I’m concerned in my personal life is the recreational aspect of guns.”
we can all agree that this was a tragedy....but it wasn't MINE....K? i don't feel any more pain for these kids as i do for the thousands of heart breaking mother's who buried their kids in other countries that were killed by u.s. soldiers under the u.s. government orders to do so.
murder is murder ............. plain and simple.
When did the US Govt give orders for it's soldiers to kill kids. The last time that I can think of that happening was against the American Indians.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
When did the US Govt give orders for it's soldiers to kill kids. The last time that I can think of that happening was against the American Indians.
If one of your kids died by a drone attack in a undeclared war by a foreign nation I'm sure you would be singing a different tune. Would it make everything alright to you if they tossed you a few thousand dollars and said here is your compensation, we are now even.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
When did the US Govt give orders for it's soldiers to kill kids. The last time that I can think of that happening was against the American Indians.
No, "we" order soldiers to kill. Even you ordered the invasion of Iraq.
BTW, US soldier massacred kids during Vietnam - My Lai Massacre - 1968. Oh yeah, Lincoln order the massacre of southern women and children during the war between the states too. That was "we" Americans too, not "the government".
No, "we" order soldiers to kill. Even you ordered the invasion of Iraq.
BTW, US soldier massacred kids during Vietnam - My Lai Massacre - 1968. Oh yeah, Lincoln order the massacre of southern women and children during the war between the states too. That was "we" Americans too, not "the government".
There are atrocities in wars, just as there are atrocities in life (Sandy Hook School for example). The US Govt never ordered My Lai, that was an act of an individual... it was illegal... and should have been punished with a much stronger sentence, as would any murder.
As we have discussed before, any order that is illegal carries a responsibility to disobey that order. There was no legal order to murder anyone at My Lai, or IMO, anywhere else in Vietnam.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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