Tell me boxy.....when that piece of metal becomes a car....will that car think for itself, eat on it's own, go to school for a higher education, get a job, pro-create and raise a family...all on it's own? Will it have the ability or opportunity to run a country, a business, build a house, volunteer at food pantries, preform open heart surgery????
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Tell me boxy.....when that piece of metal becomes a car....will that car think for itself, eat on it's own, go to school for a higher education, get a job, pro-create and raise a family...all on it's own? Will it have the ability or opportunity to run a country, a business, build a house, volunteer at food pantries, preform open heart surgery????
Could you and Cicero also please find a BIOLOGY 1A text book ? and stop with the stupid questions ?
Unlike you Sombody, an embryo has a working brain at 10 weeks. And, unlike you, after 11 weeks, (when it's called a fetus) it develops distinguishable genitals.
By 16 weeks, it's pumping blood through itself - and the kidneys start pumping their own waste out.
Now, tell me, can your wheelbarrow of iron ore do that? If so, I'll take 2.
Whatever makes it easiest to except the taking of human life. Whether it's zygote, embryo, iron ore, plastic resin, aluminum, or clump of tissue. Call it what you want.
Taking of "HUMAN LIFE"? When you remove an appendix, under your definition, you TAKE HUMAN LIFE... so arrest the surgeon. The appendix is made up of human cells, just like a cancer, or just like a zygote, so your distorted view, awards them all the same classification. THEY ARE ALL HUMAN, RIGHT??? SO IT"S ALL MURDER!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Unlike you Sombody, an embryo has a working brain at 10 weeks. And, unlike you, after 11 weeks, (when it's called a fetus) it develops distinguishable genitals.
By 16 weeks, it's pumping blood through itself - and the kidneys start pumping their own waste out.
Now, tell me, can your wheelbarrow of iron ore do that? If so, I'll take 2.
NO MT... YOU"VE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE!!!
You called a CAR "a Wheelbarrow of iron ore". How insulting! Remember how you name a zygote a "baby"... and a wheelbarrow of iron ore you named a "CAR".
Once you define something, it only confuses the issue if you keep changing your definitions in the middle of the discussion.
Or is that the point?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Boxy STILL IS a good comrade for the Nationalist Socialist agenda. The ice that once flowed through the veins of the 1940's NAZI'S, still flows through the veins of people like boxy!
See Post Below:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You would have been a good soldier in Hitler's Nazi party. If it were 1940 and the internet was already in existance, you could just as easily been blogging in support of the Holocaust .
MT & Bumble seem so interested and have so much knowledge about Nazi's... and seem to have many of the same Nazi Views as these Nazi's:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Are you really that 'unread'? Don't try to separate or discect down the National Socialist movement. Yup...the ones you linked us all to is PART OF the Nationalist Socialist agenda. They are carrying out their agenda under the guise of 'immigration reform. And abortion aka killing the unwanted or undesired or 'cancer to the human race', is all part of the Nationalist movement.
Immigration reform is just enforcing laws that stop 'illegals' from entering this country illegally. Not 'certain' illegals.....ALL OF THEM!
Don't you get it yet??? It is the dehumanization of the human race in one form or another. That is what the Nationalist do!!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The appendix is made up of human cells, just like a cancer, or just like a zygote, so your distorted view, awards them all the same classification. THEY ARE ALL HUMAN, RIGHT??? SO IT"S ALL MURDER!
I'm conceding to you abortion during the first trimester as "lump of tissue". Even though I personally believe it is still taking a life. My question has been the partial birth abortion taking place in the late second and third trimesters.
Earliest premature birth - 21 weeks 5 days.
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Records James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada) was the earliest premature baby in the world. He was 128 days premature (21 weeks and 5 days gestation) and weighed 1 lb. 6 oz. (624 g). He survived and is quite healthy.
Again, does an abortion performed after 21 weeks 5 days gestation now become infanticide in light of this evidence, where this particular lump of tissue became a living breathing human being?
Records James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada) was the earliest premature baby in the world. He was 128 days premature (21 weeks and 5 days gestation) and weighed 1 lb. 6 oz. (624 g). He survived and is quite healthy.
OR...
The date of actual pregnancy is not an exact science... in the case of multiple births, as this case, it becomes even more difficult. If the actual date of her pregnancy was one month earlier... making him 25 weeks, which is not unusual for survival of multiple births.
With out knowing the actual date of her pregnancy, there is no possible way to tell how old the fetus was at birth. Case in point... If by chance this mom had some bleeding at 1 month into the pregnancy, mistaking that for her period, the doctors may have pushed her pregnancy date for one more month making the fetus... according to your story, the first 17 week surviving fetus.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The bible tells us when a fetus becomes a living being.
Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after DRAWING IT'S FIRST BREATH.
~ After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.
~ In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
~ In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.
~ According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. .
~ God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.
~ In a number of versions of the bible, one of the commandments in Exodus 20 that was spoken by God to Moses states: “You shall not kill”. According to the Mosaic text, this should read “You shall not murder” since the bible has commandments stating that people shall be put to death for a number of different offenses. Exodus 21:17 states: “Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death.” There are other capital offenses in Exodus 21. Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets. For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written.
There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken IT'S FIRST BREATH
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Records James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada) was the earliest premature baby in the world. He was 128 days premature (21 weeks and 5 days gestation) and weighed 1 lb. 6 oz. (624 g). He survived and is quite healthy.
OR...
The date of actual pregnancy is not an exact science... in the case of multiple births, as this case, it becomes even more difficult. If the actual date of her pregnancy was one month earlier... making him 25 weeks, which is not unusual for survival of multiple births.
So the date of exact pregnancy is not an exact science, yet based on your junk science hypothetical, if he were 25 weeks you accept the science that survival in not unusual. So you pick and choose science that fits your desired outcome.
You are the master of double speak. The Fehrur would be impressed.
Ahhhhh... Now quoting scripture to fit the argument. Never knew you were the religious type.
I'm sure you agree with these passages.
Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
The bible tells us when a fetus becomes a living being.
Many people think that a human being is created at the time of conception but this belief is not supported by the bible. The fact that a living sperm penetrates a living ovum resulting in the formation of a living fetus does not mean that the fetus is a living human being. According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after DRAWING IT'S FIRST BREATH.
~ After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.
~ In Job 33:4, it states: “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Again, to quote Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
~ In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.
~ According to the bible, destroying a living fetus does not equate to killing a living human being even though the fetus has the potential of becoming a human being. One can not kill something that has not been born and taken a breath. This means that a stillborn would not be considered a human being either. Of course, every living sperm has the potential of becoming a human being although not one in a million will make it; the rest are aborted. .
~ God has decreed, for one reason or another, that at least one-third of all pregnancies shall be terminated by a spontaneous abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy and that a number will be terminated after the first trimester. It would appear that God does not have any more regard for the loss of a fetus than he does for the loss of a placenta or a foreskin despite the fact that these were living tissue as the result of conception.
~ In a number of versions of the bible, one of the commandments in Exodus 20 that was spoken by God to Moses states: “You shall not kill”. According to the Mosaic text, this should read “You shall not murder” since the bible has commandments stating that people shall be put to death for a number of different offenses. Exodus 21:17 states: “Whoever curses his father or mother shall be put to death.” There are other capital offenses in Exodus 21. Of course, the commandment “You shall not kill” is not present in the commandments written by God on the stone tablets. For those who are not familiar with the commandments on the stone tablets that were placed in the Ark of the Covenant, they are enumerated in Exodus 34. The popular ten commandments that are enumerated in Exodus 20 were spoken by God to Moses who then relayed them to his people; they were never written.
There is nothing in the bible to indicate that a fetus is considered to be anything other than living tissue and, according to scripture, it does not become a living being until after it has taken IT'S FIRST BREATH
Straight from the pages of Mein Kampf.
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"All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself."
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