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I tried to research your story but the only place that I could find it was at two Right Wing, Christian Anti Choice sites.

Don't you mean Christian PRO LIFE? May I remind you that the unborn child has no CHOICE!


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Zygote:
zy·gote
–noun
the cell produced by the union of two gametes, before it undergoes cleavage.
A human zygote is a human cell produced by the union of two human gametes, before it undergoes cleavage.
Similarly, some cancers are human, some hair is human, some fingernails are human.
Like the human zygote; the human hair, human fingernail, and human cancer also have NO CHOICE.

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ba·by

–noun
1.an infant or very young child.
2.a newborn or very young animal.
3.the youngest member of a family, group, etc.
As with the human Zygote, some babies are also human.

I hope this helps you distinguish the difference.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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some babies are also human


in dealing with homo sapiens - please give me an example of a baby that isnt a human




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A human zygote is a human cell produced by the union of two human gametes, before it undergoes cleavage.
Similarly, some cancers are human, some hair is human, some fingernails are human.
Like the human zygote; the human hair, human fingernail, and human cancer also have NO CHOICE.



did you just try to compare a teratoma to a human fetus???  
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Of course not.  I compared a human Zygote to other human cells that are often discarded... cancer, hair, & fingernail.
Fetus:
fe·tus
–noun, plural - Embryology .
(used  chiefly  of  viviparous  mammals)
the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind.

The Human zygote may eventually evolve into a Blastocyst, which may eventually evolve into an Embryo, which eventually may evolve into a Fetus.

A zygote is no more a fetus, than a hunk of iron ore is a Lamborghini Countach.


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Some babies are also human
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in dealing with homo sapiens - please give me an example of a baby that isn't a human




~The Definition that I posted:
"ba·by
–noun
1.an infant or very young child.
2.a newborn or very young animal.
3.the youngest member of a family, group, etc.
As with the human Zygote, some babies are also human.~"

Definitions # 2 and 3 are not necessarily HUMAN Zygote.




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so when does box of rox say life begins?


since that is really what this discussion is turning into
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Life began for the two gamets when they were produced inside the male & female who had sex and  joined them.

Life of the zygote begins when the two gamets joined to form the zygote.


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From the Fox News site Posted:

The Pennsylvania Insurance Department said Wednesday that the state will be in compliance with federal law. Spokeswoman Melissa Fox said there has been some "confusion" about the wording in the policy,
"BUT THAT WE WOULD NOT AND COULD NOT USE THE FEDERAL DOLLARS  FOR ELECTIVE ABORTION COVERAGE!
"It was never, ever the intent to cover abortion,"

How much more clearly can the PA Insurance Dept say: WE WON'T & CAN'T USE FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR ABORTION?
This is just one more Conservative manufactured bogus issue... there IS no issue.




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The Pennsylvania policy says it covers "only abortions and contraceptives" that fall under Pennsylvania law. Johnson said that the "elective abortion" restriction in the Pennsylvania policy is "not a legal term," and so any abortion procedure legal in Pennsylvania could be covered under the high-risk plan.
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This must be why you are so in favor of abortion boxy.........You would have served hitler well...........



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Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."

A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html


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This portion of the Death Camps tour looks at the history of holocaust. By comparing Germany's Nazi holocaust and America's abortion holocaust you'll see there is practically no difference between the mindset of holocaust then and now. As with slavery in early America, killing Jews in Nazi Germany, or killing babies in America today -- just because something is legal does not make it right. So how do you get a country to allow humans to be treated worse than animals? You use euphemisms to convince people that these actions are justifiable, or even beneficial.

Abortion advocates and America's largest Death Camp operator, Planned Parenthood, have elevated the dehumanization of holocaust victims to an art form with their 'pro-choice' rhetoric. But those who side with the pro-choice crowd may be shocked by the racial slurs and elitist ideals of Planned Parenthood's celebrated founder, Margaret Sanger. As you'll see, her words and goals bear an eerie similarity to the words and ideas of the Nazis. Let's begin by looking at the famous Nazi Death Camp doctor who graduated from killing Jews to killing babies.

http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Planned_Parenthood_Ku_Klux_Klan_KKK_Nazis/


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Here's one for ya boxy.....if ya got the balls to click on it.............


http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/


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Hitler was PRO-CHOICE too.............

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Hitler Was Pro-choice

In 1933, when the Nazi's came to power, the law was changed to legalize abortion and make this a matter of decision for a medical review board. The development of Germany's abortion policy was left to the county's most vociferous abortion advocacy group, the Berlin Chamber of Physicians. This group, which advocated abortion on demand, determined that "The health of the mother - considered from all angles - is the decisive factor." Then, just as now, health of the mother criterion was loosely understood to mean any economic or psychological affect on the woman's total well being.

There were approximately 500,000 abortions annually in Germany under the Third Reich, a country of 60 to 70 million people. And, in Nazi Germany, racial stock was considered an aspect of the health of the mother. If she was from an "unhealthy" race, such as Polish, Czech or Jewish, then she was often forced to have an abortion against her will. However, race wasn't the only consideration. Hitler actively promoted the destruction of the crippled, poor and unemployed classes, as did Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood. Abortion led to forced sterilization, which led to "euthanasia," which led to Auschwitz.

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/DeathCamps/Holocaust5.cfm#TheTop


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