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A small group of congressional Democrats and the White House struck a compromise Monday to accelerate a vote on the issue, though the Pentagon's review is not due until December. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who gave a tepid endorsement of the new plan on Tuesday, supports the repeal but has urged Congress to hold off until the review is complete.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/26/lawmakers-question-accelerate-vote-dont-ask-dont-tell/

A small number says fox news? Odd, there are 193 co-sponsors to the bill...

Gates says he gave support to the bill because it repeals the policy when the military finishes its review of how to implement it which is due this fall.

A few reps oppose this because they see it as 'liberalling" up the military.  However, 75% of the population supports the repeal AND the cost of the removal of the 15,000 military personnel because they were outed is in the 1.2 billion dollar range.  
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Great idea rush this through (because of Obama/DEMS tanking poll numbers) without waiting for input from military leaders? Maybe those that have to make this work in the battlefield should be consulted first?
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104 Retired military brass against 'don't ask-don't tell'
(Nov17,200CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/dont.ask.dont.tell/index.html


Top Defense Officials Seek to End ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
(Feb2,2010)NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/us/politics/03military.html





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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First, I am not "anti-gay" - everyone is free to live their live the way they see best. But until the military is ready to address several "consequences" of this action, namely:

1. Gay marriage, male or female
2. Gay divorce
3. Gay adoption
4. Cohesion in the military
5. Recruiting efforts

and more, this should be halted IMHO

Repealing DADT would also force the repeal of the federal law that defines marriage as between a man a woman, as well as bring big issues involving the reinstatement of gay soldiers previously discharged under the policy.




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Countries that allow homosexuals to serve in the military"
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Bermuda
Brazil
Canada
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
Germany
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Peru
Romania
Russia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Uruguay

Countries who don't:
    * Cuba
    * China
    * Egypt
    * Greece
    * Iran
    * Jamaica
    * North Korea
    * Pakistan
    * Saudi Arabia
    * Serbia
    * Singapore
    * South Korea
    * Syria
    * Turkey
    * Venezuela
    * Yemen



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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And that proves what? If it ain't broke why fix it? Gays/lesbians are serving in every branch of our military.
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The military spends an estimated $22,000 to $43,000 per person to replace those discharged under DADT.  That's millions of OUR TAX dollars that the US could put to better purposes.

Since 1994, the military’s “Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy has resulted in the discharge of more than 13,000 military personnel across the services, including approximately 800 with skills deemed “mission critical,” such as pilots, combat engineers, and linguists.

At a time when our military is having problems filling it's ranks, eliminating DADT could help the enlistment shortage.

The military of Canada, The United Kingdom, Germany and Israel are modern, high tech, forces much like our own.  Our missions and training are similar, with The UK serving along side the US in Iraq.  The inclusion of gay and lesbian forces in their military has not diminished their effectiveness and should not effect ours.


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isn't this sooooo amerian.....forcing americans to tolerate what some deem intolerable! It's ridiculous!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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isn't this sooooo amerian.....forcing americans to tolerate what some deem intolerable! It's ridiculous!


like abortion
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like abortion

Yup! If the law is telling me that I have to tolerate behaviors I find intolerable......then I have the right, by law, to exercise my right to free speech and speak out against it!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
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Tolerate The Intolerable!!!  LOL

What exactly is it that you will be forced to 'tolerate'?



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Tolerate The Intolerable!!!  LOL

What exactly is it that you will be forced to 'tolerate'?



Whatever "I" deem intolerable!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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If you can 'tolerate' Fox News, Glenn Beck and 8 years of GWB,  you can tolerate just about anything!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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If you can 'tolerate' Fox News, Glenn Beck and 8 years of GWB,  you can tolerate just about anything!


Bad comparison! People have the right to 'turn them off' or 'vote them out'! People aren't FORCED BY LAW to tolerate them!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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How much more of this administration can this country tolerate, this administration is the Bush administration on steroids.
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