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Michael
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How is Michael doing with his new party?  I fear that even if a new party were formed and was successful it would only be a matter of time before it became no different than the major parties, looking out for their own special interest.

As for the money, it is really too bad that the focus is on funding a campaign, but the sad fact is thats what it takes.  Even with a strong candidate from either party it takes money and lots of it to get your message out.  Literature is expensive, postage is expensive.  Assume a candidate can hit every door in District #4, at the cost of fuel this too is very expensive.  Especially when you are wandering around in Duanesburg and Princetown.  The houses are so spread out you can't walk other than in the hamlets so you have to drive.

I love your scales of balance!!  Ain't that the truth?


I'm poised, but as you certainly know, Rene, NYS election law is complicated and I'm busy making sure I get it right.  You're absolutelty right about the money aspect and that's gonna be a challenge to some degree but I'm determined to do it on no one's nickel but my own if I proceed.  You can't play by the old rules while trying to make new rules.

As far as the real topic of this thread, I'm convinced the Republicans are finished in the short-term.  I likely will change my affiliation after the next election because I've been annoyed by the repeated and rude attempts to garner my vote and money.



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I've been thinking about the same type of thing.  And I think I came up with a name for it last night.  

The Patriot Party.

And we already have our charter.  It's this old thing some people may have heard of...the Constitution.


You can double-check me Kevin but I'm pretty sure that party already exists in a fashion.


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The problem is that most people are too busy with their personal lives to inform themselves on what is happening in their own community. I see it with my own children they are going to little league games, soccer games, to camp on weekends, and work during the week and they don't even care about politics because they say they can't do anything about what's going on.
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Quoted from Shadow
The problem is that most people are too busy with their personal lives to inform themselves on what is happening in their own community. I see it with my own children they are going to little league games, soccer games, to camp on weekends, and work during the week and they don't even care about politics because they say they can't do anything about what's going on.
Most people do believe that there is nothing that they can do to make a change or a difference. And because of that, they are truly uninformed. All I can say, is that for those that are uniformed...they have what is coming to them. This is just what the government want. People to be either too busy or too dumb to figure out what they are actually doing. It's all BS!



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Rene
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I am afraid to initiate real change it will take more than another political party or the Constitution. Both, new parties and the Constitution have been around a while.  It will take an awareness of every person who lives in this country/state/county/town.  An awareness of the part played by politicians in their every day lives.  An awareness and the initiative to call "stupid" stupid when the need arises. Confrontation and correction of wrongs when they are imposed on each of us.  
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Quoted from Shadow
The problem is that most people are too busy with their personal lives to inform themselves on what is happening in their own community. I see it with my own children they are going to little league games, soccer games, to camp on weekends, and work during the week and they don't even care about politics because they say they can't do anything about what's going on.


yeah, it's the story of the Ant and the Grasshopper played out in everyone's lives to a certain degree.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I was re-reading the article "GOP expects long road to success".  I found a quote that I thought was backwards.




I don't know about anybody else, but I would be more inclined to donate to a Republican with the right message, rather than donate my money to the party and hope that they find a candidate with right message.

It sounds to me that Republicans look for money fist, message second.  

They wonder why they have trouble fund raising locally.  


SHOW ME THE $$ TRAIL.......



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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It sounds to me that Republicans look for money fist, message second.  


I pay my own way, except for a few donations along the way (thanks Brad).  
To get my message out?  I spend three months door to door.
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I realize it is very time consuming going door to door, but I think that is the way it should be. I am also not against donations. I personally would donate time and/or money to the person running as opposed to donating to the party.
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I realize it is very time consuming going door to door, but I think that is the way it should be. I am also not against donations. I personally would donate time and/or money to the person running as opposed to donating to the party.


If more people thought this way, top to bottom, we'd end up getting better candidates I think.  If more "grass roots" people took this position, and only got behind candidates who they believed in, rather than just party affiliation, the whole dynamic changes.  OFC, it wouldn't hurt to have the various party structures stay out of things until after any/all primaries are over with.  

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I don't always agree with the parties choice of candidates or how they spend their (my) money. I do understand that political parties also need funds and volunteers to help run their campaigns. I just choose to support the candidate of my choice.
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This about the 20 th flag day parade I attended in my life here, tonight was the annual flag day parade down Curry road. I noticed the same thing I noticed for the past several years and it does alarm me because my father fought for our nation and I honor the flag. In the parade among the officials there ( i made notes after) Senator Farley, John Mertz, Steve Tomm, James Burhmaster, Joe Shrada and Angelo Santabarbara. Among them was one alone Democrat and that was Dawnie Pascariello. Dawn never misses BUT every other Democrat skipped out and I tell you over and over the same stuff -and I once(about 5 or 6 years ago) talked to Mike Kirvin since he was the last Democrat I saw in that parade (and he told me that the Democrats schedule a Democrat meeting on that night and could care less but he skipped the meeting, came to the parade instead) So good for him. But really where was Judy D and Tony J, her yes man on her lap, and the rest of the Savage crew? Why aren't they honoring the flag??? How can they be so insensitive to blow off the flag day ceremony at the Elks and the parade? I think it is callous to the vets. Yeah I know the flag is OUT and the vets are OUT, the current fad says we should peace at all costs, and protesting means more bravery than be in the uniform, and that burning the flag to cinders is cool, rather than honoring it, maybe the Savagettes did a poll on which was more popular? But this is the kind of symbolism that means something to me for my father and all the men who dies and all of the women and men in uniform now fighting.

Now before you give me an earful and a lecture and say where was this Republican or that Republican, let me say I counted SIX, count them- SIX Republicans and ONE democrat, and last year it was worse and the year before it enraged me since it was ALL Republicans and NO democrats except 80 year old Eunice, so I am just generalizing with the odds here. So Democrats you have voted with your 'feet' more or less and skipped out on school, and the lesson was honoring the flag and our country and it's martyrs. You get a D- andif it weren't for Dawn, you would surely have an F.
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That is very sad----no matter which party.....I would also wonder if there were other celebrations goings on around the county.....???


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344429,00.html
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Uniting the Republican Party

By Michael Steele

A great deal has changed since President Reagan left the national stage. Our enemies have come to our shores, the rising tide of our economy has not "lifted all boats" and our government has increased, not lessened its intrusion into our lives. However, many of the issues that united us during the Reagan Revolution in the 1980s — lower taxes, less government spending, free markets and strong national security — are the same issues that motivate voters today.

Reagan’s successes were in large part due to his ability to focus on those things that unite us. Rather than trying to divide the American people along philosophical or political lines, he made a connection with average citizens through themes that inspired us and policies that restored our national pride as well as the security and prosperity of a nation. Reagan did the unthinkable: he helped America embrace conservatism and the core beliefs of the Republican Party.

While our party has changed too, the core of who we are and what we believe has not. Republicans are not conflicted by the ups and downs of elections, but rather by the very nature of conservatism in this post-Reagan era. We are conflicted over defining the vision of the conservative movement, its radical nature, and the unique challenges and opportunities that lie before America. We are conflicted over who and how we will lead during these changing times. Republicans stand on the precipice of conservatism, ready to throw each other off because we feel as if we’ve lost our grip on what conservatism means; indeed, what it means to be a republican.

But, we should never lose faith first and foremost in our belief in the power and ingenuity of the individual to create the legacy of a nation through hard work and self-discipline. Conservatives must stand firm once again in our belief that government should be limited so that it never becomes powerful enough to infringe on the rights of the individual. We must reaffirm the principle of lowering taxes so that individuals might keep more of their hard earned wages, and realize the economic power that it generates. Republicans must promote business regulations that encourage entrepreneurs to take risks so that more individuals can enjoy the satisfaction and fruits of self-made success; and our party must always remain steadfast in its defense of a colorblind society, so that each man or woman is treated as an individual and not as a member of some hyphenated class or group.

Conservatives now have a window of opportunity to demonstrate the truth of America: that every American regardless of his or her station in life, upbringing or social status has the opportunity to turn their hopes into action and to realize the promise that is the American dream! Ronald Reagan understood that; and he acted to lift a dispirited nation to become that “shining city on a hill”.

Republicans must remind America once again that its promise is the promise of endless possibilities and define for countless generations those values we hold dear: the value to the soul of religious faith, complete integrity, loyalty, and truthfulness. Let’s honor America with incorruptible public service, a respect for economy in government, self-reliance, thrift, and individual liberty. Let’s stand firm in our patriotism, real love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it as those who have gone before us.

The Party of Lincoln is the Party of ideas and leadership that have made and will continue to make this nation great. Republicans must now gather strength from within as we enter a critical period in America's history. We must work to restore faith in our Party by standing on those principles that not only unite us as Republicans, but as Americans. Republicans need to stop looking for Reagan and start acting like Republicans.

It is still a long and bumpy road to the White House this November, but I am confident that Republicans and the conservative movement they inspired will regain in strength if we stick to those values that have long-united our Party and stirred a generation to join our cause. These are the values that continue to empower, uplift and remind us that America will always be the one place on earth where possibility meets opportunity. A place we call the American dream.
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