Actually, the worst US President in modern times was the President who swore to get Ben Laden, then said: "I'm Truly Not That Concerned About Osama Bin Laden."
I don't know...The president that dropped 2 nuclear weapons on civilian population has to rank at the top of most evil human being of modern times.
I know that 200,000+ were nuked. I don't know how many lives were saved because 200,000 innocent people were nuked...Do you have that number?
No, and THAT'S MY POINT!!! A war was ended. Had the war gone on, it is impossible to determine how much longer it would have continued and how many more lives would have been lost. It was truly a sad day in history, but the consequences of not happening will be something that will remain an unknown for centuries to come. The potential consequences are UNKNOWN!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
No, and THAT'S MY POINT!!! A war was ended. Had the war gone on, it is impossible to determine how much longer it would have continued and how many more lives would have been lost. It was truly a sad day in history, but the consequences of not happening will be something that will remain an unknown for centuries to come. The potential consequences are UNKNOWN!
Ahhh...Preemptive nuclear attack on civilian populations...A-OK with joey....It's a sad day in history, but it was necessary day, sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives to save an unknown number of lives.
Ahhh...Preemptive nuclear attack on civilian populations...A-OK with joey....It's a sad day in history, but it was necessary day, sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives to save an unknown number of lives.
Ahhh...Sissy is all knowing and well versed in nothing...missing the point once again. Oh, and Sissy, we were at war, or did you miss that? You're so smart, we should let you run the Nation's military and DOD.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ahhh...Preemptive nuclear attack on civilian populations...A-OK with joey....It's a sad day in history, but it was necessary day, sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives to save an unknown number of lives.
These estimates are for AMERICAN casualties, we ca assume that Japanese military and civilian casualties would be very much higher than these.
Operation Downfall was the codename for the Allied plan for the invasion of Japan near the end of World War II. The proposed operation was abandoned when Japan surrendered following the atomic bombings. The estimates of total dead from an invasion of mainland Japan vary, as do their assumptions. As there are so many variables, these estimates are projected with from various points of view on the Japanese invasion. In April 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff formally adopted a planning paper giving a range of possible casualties based on experience in both Europe and the Pacific. Given a troop list of 766,700 men and a 90-day campaign, the US Sixth Army could be expected to suffer between 514,072 casualties (including 134,556 dead and missing) under the "Pacific Experience" (1.95 dead and missing and 7.45 total casualties/1,000 men/day) and 149,046 casualties (including 28,981 dead and missing) under the "European Experience" (0.42 dead and missing and 2.16 total casualties/1,000 men/day). This assessment included neither casualties suffered after the 90-day mark (US planners envisioned switching to the tactical defensive by D+120[79]), nor personnel losses at sea from Japanese air attacks. In a letter sent to General Curtis LeMay from General Lauris Norstad, when LeMay assumed command of the B-29 force on Guam, Norstad told LeMay that if an invasion took place, it would cost the US "half a million" dead. Outside the government, well-informed civilians were also making guesses. Kyle Palmer, war correspondent for the Los Angeles Times, said half a million to a million Americans would die by the end of the war. Herbert Hoover, in memorandums submitted to Truman and Stimson, also estimated 500,000 to 1,000,000 fatalities, and those were believed to be conservative estimates.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
These estimates are for AMERICAN casualties, we ca assume that Japanese military and civilian casualties would be very much higher than these.
Ok...So do you support targeting civilians with nuclear weapons as a legitimate war tactic as long as the government can show the "estimated" number of lives it "may" save is greater than the number of civilians you are targeting?
Ahhh...Sissy is all knowing and well versed in nothing...missing the point once again. Oh, and Sissy, we were at war, or did you miss that? You're so smart, we should let you run the Nation's military and DOD.
Are you saying targeting civilians with nuclear weapons during war is within the rules of war? If another nation nukes two US cities because they believe it will bring an end to the "war on terror", you would defend that as a legitimate target?
Ok...So do you support targeting civilians with nuclear weapons as a legitimate war tactic as long as the government can show the "estimated" number of lives it "may" save is greater than the number of civilians you are targeting?
Is that what I posted Cicero??? Really??? Ya just can't help yourself can you!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No Sissy can't help himself. He just needs to add more straw man what-ifs because if you notice, he just keeps repeating himself...different post, different day, but same old repetitious BS. He can't even answer or justify his own questions...just more spin and stupidity.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Joey, you are defending the targeting of civilians with nuclear weapons. Not me.
I made no statement defending" anything. You are putting words in my mouth AGAIN! I stated we DO NOT AND NEVER WILL KNOW if the bombing resulted in XXXXXXXXX lives saved or what the impact would have been had there been no bombing. That is not defending the bombing, it's simply discussion talking points...something you are not good at.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
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