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Box A Rox
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Bernie Sanders Raised $1.5 Million In First Day Of His Campaign
(Contributions came from 35,000 donors, and the average donation was $43.54.)

Sen. Bernie Sanders raised $1.5 million in the first 24 hours after announcing his 2016 presidential bid.
That's more than Hillary, and the leading GOP contenders:
Sen. Rand Paul raised close to $1 million his first day of campaigning
Sen. Marco Rubio about $1.25 million
Sen. Ted Cruz raised $500,000 his first day.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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He's 73 friggin yrs old.  Don't the Dems have anyone under 60 that is a good candidate to run???
Old school thought is not going to cut it anymore.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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He's 73 friggin yrs old.  Don't the Dems have anyone under 60 that is a good candidate to run???
Old school thought is not going to cut it anymore.


old or young....dem or rep.....same coin....different side. imho


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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old or young....dem or rep.....same coin....different side. imho


Yes bumbler... you've made that point before...
Be sure NOT TO VOTE in 2016, because your votes makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE.


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Yes bumbler... you've made that point before...
Be sure NOT TO VOTE in 2016, because your votes makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE.


Now you are getting it!


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He's 73 friggin yrs old.  Don't the Dems have anyone under 60 that is a good candidate to run???
Old school thought is not going to cut it anymore.


Old school thought?

The guy is a self proclaimed socialist.

Oh wait, that is old school thinking






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Now you are getting it!


Yes I get it.  The more people like "conspiracy theory aficionado" bumbler, who don't vote,
the better for actual candidates.
Oh wait... you're one of those who don't vote too!
Keep up the good work!


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Bernie is a (shudder) SOCIALIST!   A term the Right loves to promote when addressing Bernie.
But...
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Sanders Socialist label notwithstanding, he isn’t actually that far to the left.
A study by VoteView, determined that Sanders is actually less liberal than many Republican
senators are conservative.


Bernie’s a longtime supporter of universal health care in what some would say is its purest form:
A single-payer system, in which the government provides insurance directly rather than subsidizing
private insurers.
He’s called for making taxpayer-funded child care available to all parents, right up through
kindergarten. He supports breaking up the big banks and imposing a carbon tax to slow
climate change. He opposes trade deals, including the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership,
that lack what he considers adequate protection for labor. And he supports the public
financing of campaigns for federal office.


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He's 73 friggin yrs old.  Don't the Dems have anyone under 60 that is a good candidate to run???
Old school thought is not going to cut it anymore.


He may be 73 years old but he is well liked in Vermont (as well as neighboring New England states) and among the traditional left wing of the Democratic Party.  His message would appeal to Democratic voters in New Hampshire and Iowa --- that is why I am leaning toward the possibility that he has the potential to upset Hillary Clinton in 2016  like Eugene McCarthy upset Lyndon Johnson back in 1968.


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Yes I get it.  The more people like "conspiracy theory aficionado" bumbler, who don't vote,
the better for actual candidates.
Oh wait... you're one of those who don't vote too!
Keep up the good work!


Yeah.  Me and nearly 70% of the rest of America.  What was it you called the republican candidates?  A "clown car"?  Is that what you mean by "actual candidates"?


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Yeah.  Me and nearly 70% of the rest of America.


Hey it's your choice.  I would rather have a vote in who governs this country...
You'd rather leave it to me and like minded people.


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Bernie is a (shudder) SOCIALIST!   A term the Right loves to promote when addressing Bernie.


The right didn't promote Bernie as a socialist....Bernie openly promoted Bernie as a socialist.

He's not that far to the left?  As compared to who? Marx?

Like you, he's a throwback of the hippie commie days of the late 60's and 70's. He's belonged to the Liberty Union Party, who endorsed candidates from the World Workers Party and Socialist Party USA. He's currently associated with the Vermont Progressive Party.

He basically wants to implement the Swedish/Danish style of socialism.

He offers up the 'new and cutting edge' arguments of....

Corporations are evil.
Rich people are evil.
Income redistribution.
Taxes are good
Government *everything*

Yup...A totally mainstream American type of guy!  






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The right didn't promote Bernie as a socialist....Bernie openly promoted Bernie as a socialist.

He's not that far to the left?  As compared to who? Marx?
He basically wants to implement the Swedish/Danish style of socialism.

He offers up the 'new and cutting edge' arguments of....
Bucky's "Socialism"
Corporations are evil.
Rich people are evil.
Income redistribution.
Taxes are good
Government *everything*


Yup...A totally mainstream American type of guy!


"Nordic Socialism"
None of the Nordic countries are socialist. Most are Constitutional monarchies, all have free
markets and profitable companies.
The main question is what are these countries doing right that America in particular isn't?



1) They don't have huge militaries, strategic money sinks or pseudo-colonial interests. They aren't
going to invade anywhere. If Norwegian soldiers turn up, it will be by international agreement and
they will provide humanitarian aid. They do not bankroll coups and rebellions.

Military Expenditure (% of GDP)

US          4.6
Finland    2,0
Norway    1.9
Sweden   1.5
Denmark  1.3
Iceland     0.0              Figures from CIA world factbook

2) Women are involved. You cannot be successful if you only use half of your potential. Nordic
parliaments have 50/50 splits by gender, not the 20/80 split in the US, or the 10/90 split of the
Republicans. Women are encouraged to work, have equal pay and opportunities. Reproductive
rights aren't really an issue and they set the standard for sex education. Teen pregnancy is lower
than it the Anglo-Saxon countries, a Scandinivian woman isn't going to mess up her economic
potential and is in no hurry to find a husband.

3) Education. It is free and first class. Finland is probably the only country close to matching the
Maths results of the places in the far east. (Singapore, etc). The model is quite simple: Finland
has the premise that education is too important to be left to politicians. So the education system
is run by teachers and educationalists, not politicians: it is widely admired.
Education is largely free and people aren't saddled with huge debts. People start careers later, in
things they are interested in rather than making money.
4) Healthcare. Often viewed in the US as "socialism", but it is to no ones benefit having a sickly
workforce, struggling through the day producing poor quality products. Health expenditure is
kept down, because harmful products are taxed heavily, Sweden has expensive booze and
cigarettes, but cheap fish. The Icelanders are characterised as "non-smoking fitness fanatics".
If you make healthcare a priority, then preventative medicine is also a must.

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country     Life expectancy  Maternal Mortality  Infant Mortality
US                   78.62                21                          5.90
Norway             80.44                 7                           3.47
Sweden            81.28                 4                           2,77
Finland             79.55                 5                           3.38
Iceland             81.11                 5                            3.17
Denmark          78.94                12                            4.14

From CIA world factbook

5) The concept of work/life balance. No one works well if they are stale, worn out or have family
worries. The working hours are shorter and they have more holidays. People have more job
security. No one works at their best after a long day, with distractions.

6) They don't have class divisions, so engineers are valued as much as lawyers. Companies are
happy to see people not in suits. The companies themselves are ethical, payments to suppliers
will be prompt. If you do business with Scandinavian companies, they aren't going to keep you
hanging about for payment, this is a big incentive to small businesses.



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Sweden's famous "cradle to grave" socialism is failing. They are experiencing deteriorating public facilities, such as transportation and parks, also there is a real rape epidemic, not a fake one like we have at colleges here, and they have riots.
No thanks.
I thought the idea behind tax deductions for children was so parents could use their own money to provide for their own kids. There is also some form of child care credit available.
Low birthweight babies are at higher risk of infant mortality. African-American babies are born smaller than European infants. This cuts across economic lines. It is one of the factors in the higher infant mortality rate in the US, not to mention that we try to save high-risk pregnancies. Things aren't always what they seem at first glance.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these discussions.
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Sweden's famous "cradle to grave" socialism is failing. They are experiencing deteriorating public facilities, such as transportation and parks, also there is a real rape epidemic, not a fake one like we have at colleges here, and they have riots.
No thanks.
I thought the idea behind tax deductions for children was so parents could use their own money to provide for their own kids. There is also some form of child care credit available.
Low birthweight babies are at higher risk of infant mortality. African-American babies are born smaller than European infants. This cuts across economic lines. It is one of the factors in the higher infant mortality rate in the US, not to mention that we try to save high-risk pregnancies. Things aren't always what they seem at first glance.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these discussions.


Nordic Socialism includes Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and Denmark, not just Sweden.

The Nordic countries  -  The next supermodel
(The Economist)
http://www.economist.com/news/.....ries-next-supermodel


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