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Go talk to your HR Department and ask them if they would run a job ad specifically looking for Hispanic applicants to fill a bilingual position. Or, would they run the ad looking for bilingual applicants? My bet is, they would only advertise for the bilingual qualification, and not specifically mention Hispanic. But, maybe your HR department stereotypes bilingual applicants by race.
Postings on board every week specifying exactly what I said and specifically looking for ethnic people to fill bilingual positions that require someone of that background (i.e. "Person of Hispanic background preferred"; "Person of Asian background preferred"). Check with the labor department and come back with their exact response to your question! |
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Postings on board every week specifying exactly what I said and specifically looking for ethnic people to fill bilingual positions that require someone of that background (i.e. "Person of Hispanic background preferred"; "Person of Asian background preferred"). Check with the labor department and come back with their exact response to your question!
Check Title VII on recruiting based on race. Imagine seeing a job posing in the paper that says "Person of Caucasian Background Preferred". How fast would Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton be outside your company's door? What employment actions are prohibited by Title VII? Title VII prohibits race and color discrimination in every aspect of employment, including recruitment, hiring, promotion, wages, benefits, work assignments, performance evaluations, training, transfer, leave, discipline, layoffs, discharge, and any other term, condition, or privilege of employment. Title VII prohibits not only intentional discrimination, but also practices that appear to be neutral, but that limit employment opportunities for some racial groups and are not based on business need. |
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So every company in the world is in violation according to you! How is any of this different than GE or any other company going to India or Mexico or any other country to recruit employees for their US operations (moving them to US and pay all associated expenses including the work Visa, travel, accommodations stipend, etc.) IT HAPPENS EVERDAY and is not discriminatory! |
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So every company in the world is in violation according to you! How is any of this different than GE or any other company going to India or Mexico or any other country to recruit employees for their US operations (moving them to US and pay all associated expenses including the work Visa, travel, accommodations stipend, etc.) IT HAPPENS EVERDAY and is not discriminatory!
It depends, are companies going into Mexico and India in search of a specific race of people within that country, or are all races in those countries eligible to apply? So is it ok to recruit by stating "people of Caucasian background preferred"? |
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As someone in the field I have to say Cicero is right here if the actual job posting and/or job descriptions stated they were looking for one race and/or ethnic group over another, that would be discrimination. If they stated they were looking for someone Bi-Lingual it would not be discrimination, just another skill required for the position. I would at the same time be surprised if that actual language would be in either the job posting and/or job description, as the cities HR person/people should know better. |
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It depends, are companies going into Mexico and India in search of a specific race of people within that country, or are all races in those countries eligible to apply?
Please, get real. If GE goes to India to recruit, they are looking for Indian people, not Americans or Mexicans that might be living there. Better Rotterdam...may be that is your understanding, and I won't disagree with you, BUT I have seen the postings both internal and external. They know how to word it to avoid issues. I've also been told when I was hiring people for open positions that I was to "favor" certain ethnic backgrounds, etc. But back to original issue of "going into Hispanic neighborhoods" to solicit employees....there is nothing illegal about it. Same scenario as I have given example of...companies recruiting in foreign countries. As for Government laws.... (1) interesting that Sissy decided this is a valid law, considering he doesn't agree with obeying the law (as he has stated previously). He picks and chooses which laws HE feels apply. (2) law against discrimination, as Sissy has pointed out, is contradictory of the rules set down about employment and schooling by the government. Can't discriminate, but your employee diversity must be made up of a minimum of "people of color", and the Government gives you points (i.e. tax credits/breaks) for meeting those goals. More breaks for women, disabled, military, military w/combat, etc. Joke around work for awhile was if you were a Woman of Black and Native American ancestry, had served in the military, fought in a war and were disabled as a result, you could name your price!!!! |
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As for Government laws.... (1) interesting that Sissy decided this is a valid law, considering he doesn't agree with obeying the law (as he has stated previously). He picks and chooses which laws HE feels apply. (2) law against discrimination, as Sissy has pointed out, is contradictory of the rules set down about employment and schooling by the government. Can't discriminate, but your employee diversity must be made up of a minimum of "people of color", and the Government gives you points (i.e. tax credits/breaks) for meeting those goals. More breaks for women, disabled, military, military w/combat, etc.
Don't mistake my post as advocating for the law. It is to point out the hypocrisy of an elected official advocating lawlessness by bragging about a private business using discriminatory hiring practices because it panders to a demographic in the mayor's city. So...In the lawless states of America, a private business is granted the privilege to act lawlessly and violate the Civil Rights Act, as long as a politician benefits politically from the lawlessness. America - What a country! |
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December 23, 2014, 11:34am |
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Don't mistake my post as an avocation of the law. It is to point out the hypocrisy of an elected official advocating lawlessness by bragging about a private business using discriminatory hiring practices because it panders to a demographic in the mayor's city.
So...In the lawless states of America, a private business is granted the privilege to act lawlessly and violate the Civil Rights Act, as long as a politician benefits politically from the lawlessness. America - What a country!
advocating lawlessness discriminatory panders granted privilegeARE YOU FOR REAL! It's not discriminatory....can't you get that through your head? It's perfectly legal and common practice! "lawless"...laughable, especially coming from you! "granted privilege"...that's expected coming from WIIFM you I'm though trying to reason with an unreasonable person...continue your jackass ways oh mighty Sissy! |
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advocating lawlessness discriminatory panders granted privilege
ARE YOU FOR REAL!
It's not discriminatory....can't you get that through your head? It's perfectly legal and common practice! "lawless"...laughable, especially coming from you! "granted privilege"...that's expected coming from WIIFM you
I'm though trying to reason with an unreasonable person...continue your jackass ways oh mighty Sissy!
You never answered if a company can recruit for "people with Caucasian backgrounds preferred". If a Caucasion, African American, and Hispanic all held the bilingual qualification, you are suggesting that the Hispanic is hired over the rest because it's the company's "preferred" race? Man JOEY, your company is walking on a tightrope with regards to discriminatory hiring practices. |
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December 23, 2014, 11:38am |
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Please, get real. If GE goes to India to recruit, they are looking for Indian people, not Americans or Mexicans that might be living there.
I would hope they are going to India to find qualified engineers regardless of race. But, I guessed based on what you are saying, GE goes to India looking for Indians. |
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You never answered if a company can recruit for "people with Caucasian backgrounds preferred".
Stupid question that doesn't deserve or need answers....DUH!
I would hope they are going to India to find qualified engineers regardless of race. But, I guessed based on what you are saying, GE goes to India looking for Indians.
Nice spin Sissy...may be your words, not mine. Going to recruit there for multiple positions, but specifically for that ethnic background. Many qualified Engineers right here in USA...so figure it out!!!! It's like I said!!!! You continue to want to play stupid...but I don't think you are playing...I think you are sincere! Carry on oh mighty jackass. |
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Nice spin Sissy...may be your words, not mine. Going to recruit there for multiple positions, but specifically for that ethnic background. Many qualified Engineers right here in USA...so figure it out!!!! It's like I said!!!!
Figure what out? You are claiming GE actively recruits employees based on race. Just curious what the business need is to recruit a specific race of people. I wish you would explain why it is necessary and how it's not a violation of Title VII. |
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Figure what out? You are claiming GE actively recruits employees based on race. Just curious what the business need is to recruit a specific race of people. I wish you would explain why it is necessary and how it's not a violation of Title VII.
I used GE as an example, but do not know their specific practices. I know practices of my employer. If you are so interested about this type of practice, why don't you contact GE or other companies and ASK THEM! Hey wait, got a better idea. Why don't you contact the appropriate government agency and report the Mayor's tactics as being lawless, discriminatory and illegal...blow the whistle instead of playing stupid games in this thread! Let's see how far you get with your false accusations...cuz that's what they are. Nothing illegal here DUDE!!!! |
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I've also been told when I was hiring people for open positions that I was to "favor" certain ethnic backgrounds, etc.
I hope whoever told you to discriminate based on ethnic background put it in writing. I would hate to see you have to testify in front of the EEOC to explain why you discriminate and hire based on ethnicity. That would be terrible. |
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