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CICERO
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What are you doing about it?  
   Bitching about it in cyberspace...
   not discussing it in public...
   doing nothing of usefulness...
   continually whining!!!!


Not discussing in public?  Of course I discuss it in public.  You think I only have these conversations in cyberspace?  watch the news, look at ferguson, look at NYC.  People are just now beginning to see the violent nature of the police.  This isn't just a phenomenon in inner city or for African Americans. And people are not waiting for the next election to resolve it.  Minds are changing.  The violent nature of the state is now being realized, and it didn't happen because of a vote.

I'll continue to whine, and you can continue to be a state apologist and suggest people leave if they don't like it, or vote for a different criminal political party.  We'll see whose approach is more effective.


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Not discussing in public?  Of course I discuss it in public.  You think I only have these conversations in cyberspace?  watch the news, look at ferguson, look at NYC.  People are just now beginning to see the violent nature of the police.  This isn't just a phenomenon in inner city or for African Americans. And people are not waiting for the next election to resolve it.  Minds are changing.  The violent nature of the state is now being realized, and it didn't happen because of a vote.

I'll continue to whine, and you can continue to be a state apologist and suggest people leave if they don't like it, or vote for a different criminal political party.  We'll see whose approach is more effective.

in public....yah, like the gathering you attended with Military present and
you didn't feel it was appropriate....
you'll continue to whine because it's what you luv to do...b**ch and whine and do
nothing positive
apologist...really...where!  luv to see where that is factual.
love it or leave it????  no, questioning why people stay, like you.  You say you do more
than sit in cyberspace, but you are still here...just wondering why. Guess without the miserable
life in the US, you would be bored and have nothing to b**ch about and play your jackass games.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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ACLU Calls on Obama to Pardon Bush Officials for Torture

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In the run-up to the release of the Senate’s scathing report on CIA
interrogation techniques, American Civil Liberties Union Director Anthony
Romero called on President Barack Obama to pardon George W. Bush and
Bush administration officials for their hand in allowing those techniques.
Romero argued that a pardon would establish precedent—torture is a crime
that requires a pardon. Without that acknowledgment, he said, there is
little legal pressure preventing techniques like those outlined in the Senate
report from being used again.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) on Thursday called on President Obama to “purge” his administration
of the CIA officials who were involved in the "enhanced interrogation" program detailed in a new
Senate report.

“It’s bad enough to not prosecute these officials but to reward and promote them is incomprehensible,”
Udall said on the Senate floor Wednesday. “The president needs to purge his administration.”

Udall reiterated his call for the resignation of CIA director John Brennan, saying he should no longer
lead the agency because officials hacked into the Intelligence Committee’s computers during their
investigation and deleted a file.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Right Winger Morals (An Oxymoron)

FoxSnooze Bill O'Reilly:
" If I were president, I would authorized waterboarding and other
severe interrogation methods of high ranking captured terrorists.

It is morally correct to protect innocent lives from barbarians.
We are a nation of laws, but we are in a brutal ongoing war. Americans
need to be protected."


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Box you want torture stopped but how do you feel about ISIS beheading innocent people, what should be done about that?
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Quoted from Box A Rox
Right Winger Morals (An Oxymoron)

FoxSnooze Bill O'Reilly:
" If I were president, I would authorized waterboarding and other
severe interrogation methods of high ranking captured terrorists.

It is morally correct to protect innocent lives from barbarians.
We are a nation of laws, but we are in a brutal ongoing war. Americans
need to be protected."


Democratic Hypocrisy...
While democratic presidents Roosevelt and Truman were in office, we:
Used flamethrowers to dispense of Japanese personnel
Systematically bombed cities, where NO military targets existed
Dropped Atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, with no Military targets

Experiencing any of those events above is tantamount to torture..
It's all based on your perspective...
Neither party has clean hands....


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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And we 'certainly' tortured during wwII.
that I know for a definite FACT!!!
It's been going on forever!!

And name ONE 'elected'  president who was held accountable for it!!!
The pres. is, after all, the chief in command...no?
The buck stops in the oval office.....or should.

dem or rep....don't matter cause they all do it.
but I agree with Cissy.....folks are beginning to wake up and realize it is a corrupt system....period!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Neither party has clean hands....


...and no country has clean hands....but it's still
no excuse, unfortunately. I hate it, understand it,
don't condone it, but realize as long as there are terrorists
and wars, these things will go on above and below the radar.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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... as long as there are terrorists
and wars, these things will go on above and below the radar.


Oh not to worry....this country will make sure there is some bogyman around every corner so they can initiate ANOTHER war....and kill/murder other innocent victims.  


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Quoted from Shadow
Box you want torture stopped but how do you feel about ISIS beheading innocent people, what should be done about that?


What does torture and execution by ISIS have to do with Torture by Americans???



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Democratic Hypocrisy...
While democratic presidents Roosevelt and Truman were in office, we:
Used flamethrowers to dispense of Japanese personnel
Systematically bombed cities, where NO military targets existed
Dropped Atomic bombs on two Japanese cities, with no Military targets

Experiencing any of those events above is tantamount to torture..
It's all based on your perspective...
Neither party has clean hands....

Is torture by democrats a sin, while torture by republicans is acceptable???
John McCain is a Republican, and opposed to torture of prisoners.  Does he need to
change parties to be anti torture???

(More Backwards thinking by the Right)



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Box you want torture stopped but how do you feel about ISIS beheading innocent people, what should be done about that?


The  regional countries should combat it, not the US.


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Cheney "Fears Being Tried as a War Criminal"


So does Obama.


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