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You'll see customers start to go to other stores once the payments for that $300M that they borrowed start to become due.

I also don't see this as a 'rebranding' or 'upgrading'. I see it as an entire restructuring. Expect to see stores like the one on Eastern Ave. close down.


I think they are trying to upscale themselves. Wegmans has been growing and is big competition for PC. Wegmans has been upscaling some of their stores with "Marketplace",
serving sit down hot meals and take home meals for lunch and dinner. Latest at several of their flagship stores they are expanding sit down areas and have applied
for license to serve alcohol. They have set up outdoor seating under canopies for summer.  Reading stories about PC change, I see them going that route also. Maybe not so much in SCHDY and Rotterdam,
but in other locals I think Walmart is cutting into PC's sales, so they have to invent themselves in another way.


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I also don't see this as a 'rebranding' or 'upgrading'. I see it as an entire restructuring. Expect to see stores like the one on Eastern Ave. close down.



Yeah...I see them pulling out of the discount grocer market.  Aldi and Walmart have that market, and PC can't compete.  They will close down their ghetto choppers and open in more affluent areas and compete with Whole Foods, Shop Rites, and Wegmans.  They will be a hybrid chain offering high end organic and non GMO produce and hormone free meat and dairy like Whole Foods, marketed for the high end shopper, and moderately priced food for the shrinking middle class shopper.  And zero discount products.


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people want to 'feel good' when they go to the market....you know like going to markets that anthony bourdain shows on TV where
everyone is sitting outside with their greenie-weenie cloth bags while drinking espresso or a beer or a wine....

you know...spending all day at 'the market meeting place'

how edgy.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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gas gimmick is a joke.....swipe the card....and it doesn't work.....many times for me......and others too....get rid of the card and all those buy one get 10..

higher prices for another product....
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It's a calculated gamble for them... As has been mentioned, Walmart and Wegmans have really cut into their discount clientele.. Walmart can get lower prices period...

The  Market Bistro thing was a beta test for them... it was a test of the entire market 32 concept. It must have gone well enough that they feel its the right thing to do.

With the increasing emphasis of the consumer on healthy choices, they are shying away from the prepared. boxed foods. The new concept will give the consumer both things they crave.. healthy choices...prepared..I think the concept will work well in the suburban and near-rural areas... the cities? It may work in the urban professional neighborhoods, but maybe not anywhere else in the cities.


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ok ok Bird.....you obviously shop there....and like it....your opinion is well taken....but it's time for competition.   too many years went buy and PC was

top dog....employees had no options but gave the money they earned back to PC.....now everyone benefits and one gets to choose where to go for

the best deals....like I have said....nothing is free......that gimmick is long overdue for deletion.....take it from someone who knows the game...
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ok ok Bird.....you obviously shop there....and like it....your opinion is well taken....but it's time for competition.   too many years went buy and PC was

top dog....employees had no options but gave the money they earned back to PC.....now everyone benefits and one gets to choose where to go for

the best deals....like I have said....nothing is free......that gimmick is long overdue for deletion.....take it from someone who knows the game...


Actually, I don't shop there...Its mostly hannaford for me...I only go to PC to pick up something quick and their Bakery is better than Hannaford.
It seems you have a real issue with the gas "savings"thing...I don't know why?...if you don't like it, don't use it or don't shop there.



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ok ok Bird.....you obviously shop there....and like it....your opinion is well taken....but it's time for competition.   too many years went buy and PC was

top dog....employees had no options but gave the money they earned back to PC.....now everyone benefits and one gets to choose where to go for

the best deals....like I have said....nothing is free......that gimmick is long overdue for deletion.....take it from someone who knows the game...


Everything in a supermarket is a gimmick.  It is all advertisement and packaging.  Everything sold in the supermarket(food) is a commodity.  Commodities are set by the commodities markets.  All retailers are buying commodities at wholesale prices.  There isn't much of a difference between how much Shop Rite pays for potatoes or how much Price Chopper pays for potatoes.  It's all about convincing shoppers that their store offers better service and a better shopping experience.  

Price Chopper is positioning itself into a middle to upper class market that can absorb inflation on food commodities.  If the price of potatoes goes up, there isn't much a discount grocer can do to get their customer to buy potatoes.   Sure you can make your supply chain more efficient, but that isn't a huge variance between supermarket to supermarket.  Bottom line, you can either afford the cost of the commodity, or you can't.


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Bottom line, you can either afford the cost of the commodity, or you can't.


And that is why folks shop at walmart....it is still the cheapest and none of the rest can compete!
And the worse the economy gets...the more walmart will prosper.


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And that is why folks shop at walmart....it is still the cheapest and none of the rest can compete!
And the worse the economy gets...the more walmart will prosper.


There may be a problem with the discount business model that could hurt Walmat.  If there is a period of stagflation, where commodity prices go up and wages stay flat, Walmart sales will fall.  That is most likely why Walmart supports the raising of the minimum wage nationally, their business model depends on it.  If meat and produce go up, their customers can flat out not afford it.  They don't stop buying fresh produce by choice, they stop by necessity.  Walmart's produce departments disappears, and they expand their Mac n cheese, soda, and pop tart aisles.


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I don't buy food at drug stores, at convenient stores or at Walmart, Kmart or Target.  

I buy food at stores who sell FOOD!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Quoted from bumblethru


And that is why folks shop at walmart....it is still the cheapest and none of the rest can compete!
And the worse the economy gets...the more walmart will prosper.


Ironically that's not quite happening even though my assessment would agree completely with yours.

WM is surprisingly in trouble in terms of lack of growth (same store sales)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/12/walmart-memo-grocery-selection_n_6144864.html


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Ironically that's not quite happening even though my assessment would agree completely with yours.

WM is surprisingly in trouble in terms of lack of growth (same store sales)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/12/walmart-memo-grocery-selection_n_6144864.html





they over built....there are more bus lines


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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There may be a problem with the discount business model that could hurt Walmat.  If there is a period of stagflation, where commodity prices go up and wages stay flat, Walmart sales will fall.  That is most likely why Walmart supports the raising of the minimum wage nationally, their business model depends on it.  If meat and produce go up, their customers can flat out not afford it.  They don't stop buying fresh produce by choice, they stop by necessity.  Walmart's produce departments disappears, and they expand their Mac n cheese, soda, and pop tart aisles.


as commodity inflation happens the more 'healthy food' will happen and the ACA will be USELESS in terms of preventative
medicine that everyone gets 'credits' for....

I think the populace is just stupid enough to allow the government to decide how they should live, via 'government experts'


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Quoted from Box A Rox
I don't buy food at drug stores, at convenient stores or at Walmart, Kmart or Target.  

I buy food at stores who sell FOOD!


You think Price Chopper and Hannaford farm their own food?
They get it from many of the SAME sources that Walmart, Kmart, and the convenience stores get their food from...for you its nothing but a political protest...typical...


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