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CICERO
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Bad guys that we funded, armed, and trained, it seems to be a never ending problem with us.


Don't over analyze.  Arming and funding bad people, to later kill bad people, make the US good people.  It's a simple formula.


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You and cicero over analyze . There are bad guys. People that do bad things.  Need a spanking.


There is something called due process for bad people.

Bombing villages and families out of existence is not due process.

If Obama ran the police forces the cops wouldn't even have guns, only air strikes to take out the suspects and save on troublesome proving of guilt.

Due process is an American moral value that allegedly differentiates us from the bad guys.

All we are doing is making even more enemies.

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when the economy is 'bad', go make war, peace bombings and apply military to humanitarian efforts...........

dems and reps both use this tactic and try using other language with cute little tag lines for podium pucks that the
sheople can swallow like Mother's Little Helper in the submarine....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'll just leave this here.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/1986.....nocide/#.U-oXmGcg-Um

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Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.





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GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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HAHAHA!! Good one. Isn't that called irony?


"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
               hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for
               an angry fix,"


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“We cannot achieve a stable Iraq with a military. We could be fighting there for the next decade.”


And this was from 2007?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/1986.....nocide/#.U-oXmGcg-Um

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Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.



USG uses the military to create a humanitarian crisis, then use the military to solve the humanitarian crisis they created.  

The USG has been bombing Iraq for two decades, implemented sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands, they overthrew their government, then armed and trained this ISIS that is in Iraq now.  Wow!  


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So how did all this start anyway??? Oh yea.  G Worst Bush's Failed Oil War In Iraq.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So how did all this start anyway??? Oh yea.  G Worst Bush's Failed Oil War In Iraq.


ISIS was created in 2012 by America in attempt to overthrow Syria, the majority of the Iraqi weapons which are being used were given by Obama and he is now starting to pump more weapons into the area to knock out the armored vehicles we created and gave to them.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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USG uses the military to create a humanitarian crisis, then use the military to solve the humanitarian crisis they created.  

The USG has been bombing Iraq for two decades, implemented sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands, they overthrew their government, then armed and trained this ISIS that is in Iraq now.  Wow!  


Perhaps Obuma's good reverend Jeremiah Wright was correct after all...

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“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant -Ambassador to Iraq, Edward Peck- Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised…” -Jeremiah Wright, September 16, 2001-

Prophets fare poorly in their own country, yet countries would do well to hearken to their prophets. Scorn, ridicule, and innuendo attend their pronouncements as the righteous defend their actions as logical, existential and necessary. Jeremiah Wright suffered such scorn and mockery because he understood the consequences of revenge on the innocent and the defenceless, justified by whatever inane discourse. Wright spoke truth to power that Sunday after 9/11 and the righteous cried to heaven condemning him to perdition for defaming America, for even suggesting that revenge for the sake of revenge is the motivation of the arch fiend against the Almighty, the foulest, most ignorant, most amoral rational for action.

Prophets anticipate truth; they review a nation’s past history and can predict its future. Witness America’s past as the Reverend Wright did that Sunday morning, and what America is doing now repeats its ugliness. Wright said this about America’s past:

He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.”

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, and the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, and non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock. (See Psalm 137 to understand how the righteous take revenge against the innocent and defenceless.)

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

That was the Sunday after 9/11, 2001 when Wright quoted Ambassador Peck. But even that list of America’s atrocities is not complete as Mark Twain would attest in his recounting of the massacre of the Moro’s at the turn of the last century 1900 and our disastrous foray into Vietnam when we lost 58,000 American soldiers and killed millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians.

This is the America that exists now: we preach righteousness, but lie with impunity; declare God’s mission to bring freedom to the mid-east, then decimate the women and children, the old and infirm as necessary collateral damage; proclaim the existence of Weapons of Mass destruction, then massively destroy a nation’s infrastructure, steal its natural resources, take control of its government replacing it with a favoured puppet; and then write the history to extol our righteousness while defaming the defenceless people decimated. Wright knew.


http://jeremiahwright.com/2011/12/americas-chickens-are-coming-home-to-roost/


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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ISIS was created in 2012 by America in attempt to overthrow Syria, the majority of the Iraqi weapons which are being used were given by Obama and he is now starting to pump more weapons into the area to knock out the armored vehicles we created and gave to them.


ISIS was not a power in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, nor could they be.
  Iran was kept in check by their long time foe Saddam Hussein.
   Had G Worst Bush paid attention to his dads words in Iraq... "You Break It, You Bought It"...
  Iran would be contained & Iraq would be isolated.  

The repercussions of the G Worst Bush Oil War will continue.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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ISIS was not a power in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, nor could they be.
  Iran was kept in check by their long time foe Saddam Hussein.
   Had G Worst Bush paid attention to his dads words in Iraq... "You Break It, You Bought It"...
  Iran would be contained & Iraq would be isolated.  

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I agree but do you condone Obama's handling of the situation and creation of ISIS, do you want us to arm more of these people in Iraq. Right now Obama is arming militias.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I agree but do you condone Obama's handling of the situation and creation of ISIS, do you want us to arm more of these people in Iraq. Right now Obama is arming militias.


The US armed Saddam Hussein, and indirectly, armed Bin Laden in Afghanistan.  We armed the Shaw of
Iran and were complicit in the overthrow of Iran's legally elected leaders before that.
We armed both sides in the Falklands war, and in many disputes between Arabs and Israel.



The USA is still the worlds largest arms exporter... (More successes of the NRA)
When asked, US arms dealers say that they will never arm both sides of a conflict at the same time.  
See... they have "morals".

Politics often decides which side we supply arms and which sides we supply military information.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Americans back President Barack Obama's decision to begin conducting air strikes in Iraq, but strongly
oppose sending American ground troops to fight the Islamic State, also known as ISIS, a new
HuffPost/YouGov poll finds.

Fifty-eight percent of Americans in the new poll supported Obama's authorization of air strikes against
insurgents in Iraq, while 24 percent said they oppose the move. A similar percentage said they would
approve of the use of drones. The air strikes brought a rare moment of bipartisan agreement, with
66 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of Republicans supporting the move. Independents expressed
less positive opinions, with just half approving.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The US armed Saddam Hussein, and indirectly, armed Bin Laden in Afghanistan.  We armed the Shaw of
Iran and were complicit in the overthrow of Iran's legally elected leaders before that.
We armed both sides in the Falklands war, and in many disputes between Arabs and Israel.



The USA is still the worlds largest arms exporter... (More successes of the NRA)
When asked, US arms dealers say that they will never arm both sides of a conflict at the same time.  
See... they have "morals".

Politics often decides which side we supply arms and which sides we supply military information.


So do you agree with Obama arming and funding ISIS, only now to arm and aid militia fighters to fight them. You always say more guns equals more violence, where is your outrage to this?


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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