Yup time to tell them there is another way to fix their problem and put themselves out of harms way, oh yeah that's right you would rather them be the victims I forgot, we can't have people defending themselves.
As posted before, when women have a gun in the home, their chances of dying increase, not decrease.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
As posted before, when women have a gun in the home, their chances of dying increase, not decrease.
And who owns the gun, sorry box you want to see women killed I want them to be strong and stand against their abusers. Your option makes them a victim for life and that is how they will see themselves forever under your bs.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
And who owns the gun, sorry box you want to see women killed I want them to be strong and stand against their abusers. Your option makes them a victim for life and that is how they will see themselves forever under your bs.
YOU WANT TO SEE THEM STRONG!!! They want to live, not be strong and kill the man they once loved.
You can invent YOUR view of what women SHOULD think, but that has little to do with what happens when women (even armed women) meet with a domestic abuser.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
YOU WANT TO SEE THEM STRONG!!! They want to live, not be strong and kill the man they once loved.
You can invent YOUR view of what women SHOULD think, but that has little to do with what happens when women (even armed women) meet with a domestic abuser.
But you can for some reason gotcha, and as you just posted many of the victims end up dead so in order to stay alive they might have to be strong and protect themselves. Reading your posts I wonder if you are scared of a armed women, is there something you aren't telling us box, how is the green eyed goddess doing you haven't mentioned her in awhile
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
But you can for some reason gotcha, and as you just posted many of the victims end up dead so in order to stay alive they might have to be strong and protect themselves. Reading your posts I wonder if you are scared of a armed women, is there something you aren't telling us box, how is the green eyed goddess doing you haven't mentioned her in awhile
The green eyed goddess and I went shooting last fall. She doesn't like guns but wanted to know how to use one if she ever needed to. Many armed women who face an attacker fail to shoot and often end up with the attacker taking the gun away. So instead of an angry domestic attacker, she now has an angry armed domestic attacker.
IMO, any woman who wants to learn how to defend herself with a gun, should take a class especially designed for women, that explains that having a gun in your hand doesn't mean you won't be attacked. You have to be willing to use it, and statistics show most women won't.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box gonna tell you something and most would assume I would be anti gun.
I saw my Moms husband hold a loaded gun to her head.
I saw him break her fingers.
I saw him punch her in the stomach when she was pregnant.
He sent me to school (I was a pre-teen at the time) with bruises and a swollen lip.
He threw my cat out the second story window.
When he was angry he would go out and start kicking the shi* out of our dog.
In public he acted completely different.
Now the incident with the gun, he worked for the sch'dy sherrifs dept. After he pointed the loaded gun at my Mom and then at me I just remember running outside in the middle of night screaming for help. Cops came, took him, took his gun. His brother was a cop for the Rotterdam Police, he got his gun back.
My mother, brother and I lived in fear. But even back then it wasn't the fear of the gun, because he abused us so many times in soooo many ways.
It was the fear of HIM.
Once he was beating my Mom and I got inbetween them, he was beating me and somehow I got up the strentght to push him as hard as I could.
He fell back and hit his head on the table and started yelling that I killed him.
Because he was on the sheriffs dept he kept getting away with so much.
I went from living in fear of leaving my Mom alone to staying away from the house and started hanging out in a couples house and getting loaded all the time. and I was only a pre-teen. Anything to take the pain away. And then at the couples house my friend and I hung out at , well the husband sexually abused me while the wife watched ignoring my screams.
What I'm trying to say is I was a child, but even then it was not the choice of weapon, it was the people inflicting the pain.
And I can tell you with complete honesty as a woman that if I could travel back in time, I would have had NO problem protecting my mother in whatever way I could and that would have included using the very gun he aimed at her head.
ALBANY, N.Y. — Psychiatrists, county officials and law enforcement are questioning a portion of New York's new gun-control law that requires them to take steps that could lead to guns being seized from potentially dangerous people.
Since mid-March, New York's Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act has required mental health professionals to report when a patient is a potential danger to himself or others.
Millions of people across the US are being treated for some type of "mental" disorder.
The majority of people being treated are NOT violent.
In the case of the gunman yesterday at Ft. Hood, say he goes in for a backround check, so he's being treated for depression and anxiety. Say he never has been seen as a threat to himself or others.
How would a backround check make any difference in this case?
Now if he went in to his clinician and stated that he felt like he wanted to hurt a lot of people or himself and nothing was done, then the "system" failed him.
And I can tell you with complete honesty as a woman that if I could travel back in time, I would have had NO problem protecting my mother in whatever way I could and that would have included using the very gun he aimed at her head.
Box seems to think if the abuser is unarmed he is no longer a threat, as we know that is not the case and your story proves that. Abusers beat down people not only physically but beat them down mentally so bad they believe they have no other choice but to be a victim. I'm not an expert in abuse cases and neither is box, but most of the stories I hear is just that, that the women was crushed mentally so bad she believed she either deserved it or her self- esteem was all but killed and believed she couldn't do better, that mind set keeps them the victim.
Your moms case is very troubling because who could she call, the abuser was law enforcement and had family in law enforcement who wouldn't do nothing. It was a nightmare scenario I couldn't even imagine, maybe box will take your story up for consideration because it is a perfect example why I say women need to stay strong.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Common sense??? you don't mind 'background checks' as long as we leave a loophole so the mentally ill can still buy your gun in a private sale.
Put up a sign... "THE MENTALLY ILL CAN BUY ALL THE GUNS THEY WANT AT HENRY'S!!!" All major credit cards accepted!
who gets to have your information? when? is it valid? who draws those lines?
remember in the 80's there was a deregulation of mental health institutions because people were being locked up for 'unknown' reasons that weren't medical....
having access via your NSA type national healthcare is A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TO SET.....
America the new dystopia world
everyone should read their privacy contract with their insurer and the HIPPA disclosure....
YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER YOUR INFO.....it SOUNDS like you do but you don't.....it's not anymore private than facebook
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Last night was flipping through local news and I think it was Ch. 6 that said the Ft. Hood gunman did have a backround check done, anyone else hear that? I'm not saying its for sure as we all know especially in the national media that stories change/or are reported inacuratley at times.
Lopez enlisted in the Army in April 2010 an infantry soldier, later becoming a truck driver.
Lopez was undergoing a variety of treatments for conditions including depression, anxiety and sleep disturbances, officials said. He was prescribed drugs that included Ambien, a sleep aid. Lopez was fully examined last month by a psychiatrist.
Lopez passed a background check when he bought the handgun at Guns Galore near Killeen, Texas, according to U.S. law enforcement officials. He was found to have no criminal history that would disqualify him from the purchase, and the gun store did what was required, according to law enforcement officials who reviewed the records.
Last night was flipping through local news and I think it was Ch. 6 that said the Ft. Hood gunman did have a backround check done, anyone else hear that? I'm not saying its for sure as we all know especially in the national media that stories change/or are reported inacuratley at times.
Lopez passed a background check in Texas when buying his pistol.
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Lopez passed a background check when he bought the handgun at Guns Galore near Killeen, Texas, according to U.S. law enforcement officials. He was found to have no criminal history that would disqualify him from the purchase, and the gun store did what was required, according to law enforcement officials who reviewed the records.
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It appears that military doctors treating Lopez had not declared him mentally unfit in ways that would require reporting him to the FBI-run National Instant Criminal Background Check System, known as NICS. NOTE: The federal background check system relies on state and federal authorities to provide data on people who are mentally ineligible to buy firearms. Texas law sets a high bar to deny firearms purchases, including having been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from a psychiatric disorder that is likely to cause substantial impairment in judgment and intellectual ability.
You only need to submit a Federal Form for a background check in Texas. This check only takes 2 to 3 minutes to verify, and in Texas, you hand them the money, they hand you the gun.
NY State would have required Lopez to obtain a "pistol permit" before purchasing his gun.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You mean the government forgot to put the shooters mental status in their file to prevent him from buying a gun?
He had nothing in his file to indicate that he should be rejected on his background check. He was being "evaluated" for mental issues at the time of the shooting. There was no indication of dangerous behavior to others or to himself.
There are a few on this board who appear to be in need of mental illness evaluation, but until they are diagnosed, they too would pass a background check.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Lt. Gen. Mark Milley, senior officer at the nation's largest Army base, said there was a "strong indication" that Lopez was involved in a verbal altercation shortly before the shooting, though it doesn't appear he targeted specific soldiers during the attack. Investigators also are focusing on his mental health.
"We have very strong evidence that he had a medical history that indicates unstable psychiatric or psychological condition," Milley said. "We believe that to be a fundamental, underlying cause." http://news.yahoo.com/fort-hood-gunman-had-unstable-mental-condition-063114104.html
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