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WASHINGTON (AP) — The tea party is teeing off on Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell.


Matt Bevin, who is challenging McConnell in the GOP primary in Kentucky, seized on the senator's vote Wednesday to move ahead on legislation to increase the nation's debt limit, describing it as a blank check for President Barack Obama. The tea party-backed businessman and conservative groups signaled they won't let Senate Republican incumbents forget the vote this election year.


"Kentucky and America can literally no longer afford such financially reckless behavior from the likes of Mitch McConnell," Bevin said in a statement.


Setting the vote in motion was one of McConnell's Republican colleagues — Texan Ted Cruz, the tea party darling who has caused heartburn for his GOP colleagues in his year in the Senate.


Cruz insisted on a 60-vote threshold for the Senate to proceed to must-pass legislation to allow the government to borrow money to pay its bills. House and Senate Republicans had decided against another round of brinkmanship and let it be known that they were ready to let Democrats deliver the votes on the debt bill after the House had passed it Tuesday.


Not Cruz, who along with Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, precipitated the 16-day government shutdown last October over their demands that Obama gut his health care law.


Instead of going along with a simple majority vote, Cruz showed no mercy in forcing Republican leaders to cast a tough vote to clear a filibuster hurdle, exposing them to widespread criticism from primary challengers and outside groups.


After what seemed like an eternity, a grim-faced McConnell finally voted yes. An equally grim-faced Sen. John Cornyn, the party's No. 2 leader and Cruz's Texas colleague, changed his vote from no to yes. Sen. John McCain rallied other Republicans to vote yes, providing a show of political support for the leaders. The 67-31 tally advanced the bill to a final vote.


In that vote, no Republican supported lifting the Treasury's borrowing authority. The bill passed on a party-line 55-43 vote, moving on to Obama.


The more pragmatic element of the Republican Party is determined to keep the focus this election year on Obama's troubled health care law and steer clear of divisive budget fights. But the party's ideological purists consider that capitulation in the face of debt and deficits.


The vote Wednesday was a fresh reminder that while Republicans see a legitimate chance of grabbing the majority in the Senate, fissures within the GOP often trip them up.


Pressed after the votes about what he made his leaders do, Cruz was unapologetic.


"It should have been a very easy vote," he told reporters. "In my view, every Senate Republican should have stood together." Whether McConnell remains the leader, Cruz said it "is ultimately a decision ... for the voters in Kentucky."


He faulted Congress with giving Obama more time "to keep digging the hole of debt, deeper, while doing absolutely nothing, nada, zero, to address the underlying problem of out-of-control spending."


Conservative groups railed against McConnell. "Americans deserve better than fake leaders who make empty promises and deliver zero results. It's time to dump the leadership," said Brent Bozell, chairman of the conservative group ForAmerica.


The Madison Project, which is backing McConnell challenger Bevin, said the Kentucky Republican had given Obama a blank check.


The overall legislation would permit the Treasury to borrow normally for 13 more months and then reset the government's borrowing limit, currently set at $17.2 trillion, after that.


It passed the House Tuesday after Republicans gave up efforts to use the debt ceiling measure to win concessions from Obama on GOP agenda items like approval of construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. Republicans had even considered reversing the pension cut for working-age military retirees as part of the overall bill. They decided to handle that separately.


The debt measure is required so that the government can borrow to pay Social Security benefits, federal salaries and bills from Medicare and Medicaid providers.


Quick action on the legislation stands in contrast to lengthy showdowns in 2012 and last fall when Republicans sought to use the critically necessary measure as leverage to win concessions from Obama. They succeeded in 2011, winning about $2 trillion in spending cuts, but Obama has been unwilling to negotiate over the debt limit since his re-election. The bill approved Wednesday is the third consecutive debt measure passed without White House concessions.


Some Republicans seemed irked that Cruz wouldn't let the bill pass without forcing it to clear a 60-vote threshold that required some Republicans to walk the plank and help it advance.


"I'm not going to talk about that," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, when asked if Republicans are annoyed with Cruz.


Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., said Cruz was "entitled to his position," and added: "To be a leader you have to do very hard things. He's new here."


Republicans weren't the only ones willing to reverse course just days after insisting otherwise. Senate Democrats abandoned their insistence that the cost of restoring the full military pension be allowed to add to the government's deficit. Instead, they joined Republicans in backing the House-passed measure that offsets the price tag by extending previously approved cuts elsewhere in the budget for another year, until 2024.


The Senate voted 95-3 for the measure, one day after the House approved it, 326-90. The White House said Obama would sign it.


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A new poll in Kentucky finds Sen. Mitch McConnell (R) barely ahead of challenger Alison Lundergan
Grimes (D), 43% to 42%.
Wenzel Strategies


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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A new poll in Kentucky finds Sen. Mitch McConnell (R) barely ahead of challenger Alison Lundergan
Grimes (D), 43% to 42%.
Wenzel Strategies


That's what tends to happen when you backstab your constituency and the nation in general.

And joe, I don't get where you see the GOP imploding. The Dems have pretty much conceded that they won't win back the House and have shifted all of their effort into trying to save their majority in the Senate.






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That's what tends to happen when you backstab your constituency and the nation in general.

And joe, I don't get where you see the GOP imploding. The Dems have pretty much conceded that they won't win back the House and have shifted all of their effort into trying to save their majority in the Senate.




There has been a civil war in the Republican party ever since 2010.  TeaBaggers vs Actual Republicans.

TeaBaggers are pouring dollars into primary elections where a 'moderate' republican now exists.  The
end result is that the TeaBaggers often win the primary with an unelectable candidate.  
(Fine by me)


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The 'imploding' GOP!


Biden: ‘There isn’t a Republican Party’


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"There isn't a Republican party. I wish there were, I wish there was a Republican party.
I wish there was one person we could sit across the table from and make a deal and make
the compromise and know when you got up from the table that the deal was done."

"There is no -- all you had to do was look at their response to the State of the Union, what
were there, three or four? I think we should get a little focused here, let's get a little focused."
Joe Biden


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And joe, I don't get where you see the GOP imploding.

Public challenges of other reps; Ted Cruz wants to run the show his way and forces others to go along;
Reps wanting to oust other Reps.......
Look, Dems are not great either, but they're sitting back enjoying the Rep show.


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The GOP Implosion


"The implosion of the GOP brand"
Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ne-chart/?tid=pm_pop


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Rand Paul:
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“I think Republicans will not win again in my lifetime for the
presidency unless they become a new GOP, a new Republican
Party. And it has to be a transformation. Not just a little
tweaking at the edges.”


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Didn't the implosion start in 2010 when the GOP took back the House with a historic mid term?  Unfortunately it's not an implosion of the party, just the statists hanging onto power as long as they can, and hoping that Wall St money will stomp down the tea party "insurgents" and retain their power.


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Didn't the implosion start in 2010 when the GOP took back the House with a historic mid term?  Unfortunately it's not an implosion of the party, just the statists hanging onto power as long as they can, and hoping that Wall St money will stomp down the tea party "insurgents" and retain their power.


It's a power struggle within the party, plain and simple. Don't need to make it about
all this complicated crap that you want to make people think it is about.
SIMPLE not complicated!!!


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It's a power struggle within the party, plain and simple. Don't need to make it about
all this complicated crap that you want to make people think it is about.
SIMPLE not complicated!!!


Sorry to complicate it for you.  I'll keep it at a 3rd grade level for you.  I understand reasoning isn't your strong suit.

You still think it's about 2 parties struggling for power.  It's a growing number of people standing up to federal powers.


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Sorry to complicate it for you.  I'll keep it at a 3rd grade level for you.  I understand reasoning isn't your strong suit.

You still think it's about 2 parties struggling for power.  It's a growing number of people standing up to federal powers.


Maybe I need to take it down to 1st grade level for you to understand (don't have crayons available)....
It's about 1 party, with 2 opposing groups, both wanting to take total control of the party.
It's about the one group wanting the other group to agree with their path and about neither
group wanting to agree with each other, so there is in-fighting and finger pointing
and continuous intentional delays and pressures.  Now if that is too complicated an
explanation for you to understand there is nothing I can do.  As I have said to you repeatedly,
I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT FOR YOU!


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Maybe I need to take it down to 1st grade level for you to understand (don't have crayons available)....
It's about 1 party, with 2 opposing groups, both wanting to take total control of the party.
It's about the one group wanting the other group to agree with their path and about neither
group wanting to agree with each other, so there is in-fighting and finger pointing
and continuous intentional delays and pressures.  Now if that is too complicated an
explanation for you to understand there is nothing I can do.  As I have said to you repeatedly,
I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT FOR YOU!


You explained it just fine.  It just seems in your opinion, that you don't factor in the American people for the cause of Republican Party infighting.  It's like you believe politicians are acting in a vacuum and not responding to their constituents.

Like I said, there is a growing number of Americans dissatisfied with federal policies like Obamacare, NSA spying, continuous war, never ending debt, and pushes for gun control.  These people know the Democrat Party won't take up those causes, because they are overt statists, so they try to have their voice heard in the Republican Party.  The Democrats and establishment republicans are more concerned about protecting the powers of the federal government against those Americans they consider "insurgents" and "terrorists" that want to greatly limit their power.


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You explained it just fine.  It just seems in your opinion, that you don't factor in the American people for the cause of Republican Party infighting.  It's like you believe politicians are acting in a vacuum and not responding to their constituents.

Like I said, there is a growing number of Americans dissatisfied with federal policies like Obamacare, NSA spying, continuous war, never ending debt, and pushes for gun control.  These people know the Democrat Party won't take up those causes, because they are overt statists, so they try to have their voice heard in the Republican Party.  The Democrats and establishment republicans are more concerned about protecting the powers of the federal government against those Americans they consider "insurgents" and "terrorists" that want to greatly limit their power.

And you believe that these politicians are acting in the best interest of the American public....boy, that's a crock, and also hypocritical.
When you want to attack them (Reps or Dems), it's because they don't care about our needs; then you say they are fighting because
they are interested in our needs. Can't have it both ways Cissy...one or the other...and I opt for THEY DON'T GIVE A $HIT ABOUT WHAT WE NEED!!!!
(EXCEPTION:  There are a handful from both sides that honestly do care, but they are a small non-influential minority, and Ted Cruz is not one of them!)


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