Spoken like a true humanist. And friend of Harry Buffonti and the Million Mom March to take away guns from law abiding citizens.
"Dave" is beginning to make me think he's DV in disguise. What with talking about my alleged being in the basement (isnt' that what many have said about DV) and "mommies" and referencing not working, well, we know who hasn't been working til his little part time job, otherwise not working, living in a state of two mommies instead of being a self sufficient and independent.
And of course "Dave" as also avoided addressing the facts abut Schenectady and ha snot produced any evidence of knowledge of taxes here, etc.
Perhaps DV is trying to just speak on things that don't need evidence to back them up and has invented an imaginary friend to say the things he really wants to say. We'll see in time.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Well now Praise the Lord. These hogs danced with me one day a few years back and I know they will lie and make up stories to facilitate their delusions. Idiots in uniform. Morons!
I knew these hogs would get caught one day. I hope these folks screw them right to the wall. They do operate by "protocol". that my freinds is the problem. Their "protocol 'is flawed and in adequate. These cops are trained not to think like men but machines.
Protocol is not meant to replace your brain stupid!!!
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"Dave" is beginning to make me think he's DV in disguise. What with talking about my alleged being in the basement (isnt' that what many have said about DV) and "mommies" and referencing not working, well, we know who hasn't been working til his little part time job, otherwise not working, living in a state of two mommies instead of being a self sufficient and independent.
And of course "Dave" as also avoided addressing the facts abut Schenectady and ha snot produced any evidence of knowledge of taxes here, etc.
Perhaps DV is trying to just speak on things that don't need evidence to back them up and has invented an imaginary friend to say the things he really wants to say. We'll see in time.
Christine- you haven't produced any facts about ANYTHING. If you think I'm this DV character- whoever that is- all I can say is I'm flattered. Don't be upset because you get to spend all day and all night on your mommie's computer because you aren't a productive member of society. You'd never be able to walk a mile in my shoes. I have a full time job, a part time job and I'm in the Army Reserves. Plus, I don't complain about NY or America. Why don't you try doing something instead of pushing buttons 24/7 and ranting and never providing one shred evidence for your childish rants.
Since Rotterdam, NY is such a bother to you- move. Better yet- move somewhere you can hang out with like-minded people with yourself. Like N. Korea or Iran!
Teen’s injury leads to lawsuit against Rotterdam police Police use of force under fire Saturday, February 1, 2014 By Bethany Bump (Contact) Gazette Reporter
ROTTERDAM — The parents of a Rotterdam teenager are suing the town for $1 million, claiming that Rotterdam police officers used excessive force to remove their son from a school bus, breaking his arm in the process and possibly causing nerve damage.
An attorney for the family said 16-year-old Jacob Gocheski suffered from emotional disabilities and was having a “mental incident” when police entered the school bus Oct. 9.
Rotterdam Police Chief Jim Hamilton defended his officers’ actions in a written statement, saying that a departmental review of the incident determined that officers followed department protocol and procedures.
Police received a call from the Mohonasen Central School District’s transportation office saying that a student refused to get off a bus after making threats “in an aggressive manner,” Hamilton said in the statement. Numerous attempts were made over about 15 minutes by district employees, the boy’s mother and police officers to persuade Gocheski to leave the bus and be taken by ambulance to Ellis Hospital for evaluation.
Officers warned Gocheski that he or officers could be injured if they had to use force to remove him, but he still refused to get off the bus. The bus had been idling in Gocheski’s driveway off of Kings Road for about 30 minutes by the time an ambulance showed up. At that time, officers attempted to get Gocheski on his feet to escort him off the bus.
“The student lunged into an empty seat, and while officers were attempting to secure the young man with handcuffs by placing his arms behind his back, the student’s arm went limp as a result of an obvious injury,” Hamilton wrote.
But Kevin Luibrand, the family’s attorney, said this action by police was carried out “forcibly and without reasonable basis.”
In a notice of claim filed against the town, Luibrand said the officers grabbed Gocheski and pushed him over the top of a seat. One officer held him down while another officer “violently forced” his hand and arm behind his back at “an unnatural angle.”
Gocheski suffered a fractured humerus, internal muscle damage and possible nerve damage as a result, said Luibrand, who provided The Gazette with an X-ray that shows the break.
“The police knew they had a special needs boy on a special needs bus having a mental health issue in his own driveway with an ambulance on the way,” said Luibrand in an email. “His offense was that he was playing on his Nintendo and his mental condition made him unable to move. The police told the boy that they were going to hog-tie him and then put his arm in a lock hold and with clearly excessive force snapped one of the strongest bones in the human body. That’s not how handicapped people are to be treated.”
Luibrand declined to disclose the type of mental disorder Gocheski has. He said it’s a well-known disability that affects youth and causes them to rely heavily on established routines, schedules and consistency. The whole confrontation could have been avoided, he said, if the bus driver hadn’t tried to act like the boy’s parent.
“He got on the bus and swore and sat down,” said Luibrand. “Then the bus driver started engaging him, which he shouldn’t have done, and acting like he was a parent and saying, ‘If you’re going to swear, you’re going to leave my bus.’ It’s not what you say to these types of kids. And at no point did he leave his seat. He took out his Nintendo and played with it in his seat. It was because of his lack of an apology that the bus driver contacted the school, who contacted the police, who contacted the ambulance to bring him to the hospital. He was having an emotional reaction to what was going on. He never committed any offense.”
After police removed Gocheski from the bus, he was taken to Ellis Hospital for a mental health evaluation and medical treatment. Police later charged him with second-degree obstructing governmental administration, a misdemeanor. He appeared in court Nov. 18. The charges are still pending.
In the notice of claim, Luibrand said this charge was lodged without probable cause and only served “to cover up the moving force behind the injuries.
“The next day, they came back and said when they delivered the charge that they had to charge him now,” he said. “I’ve been doing this for 30 years. That’s police covering injuries to civilians 101.”
Gocheski suffered injuries because of the town’s negligence, gross negligence, violation of New York civil and constitutional rights to be free from excessive force, assault and battery, reckless disregard for the welfare of others, intentional and malicious use of excessive force and false arrest, according to the notice of claim.
“The respondent was also negligent and exercised deliberate indifference to the plight of the emotionally disturbed in failing to maintain a proper practice and policy on securing individuals in mental distress, failure to train its officers on the proper techniques for securing persons in mental distress and failing to supervise its officers,” the notice of claim says.
Rotterdam police declined to discuss the incident further while litigation is pending.
And they wonder why people are becoming more and more fed up with the government. They break a mentally ill kids arm and charge THE VICTIM OF THE ASSAULT WITH A CRIME AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
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After police removed Gocheski from the bus, he was taken to Ellis Hospital for a mental health evaluation and medical treatment. Police later charged him with second-degree obstructing governmental administration, a misdemeanor. He appeared in court Nov. 18. The charges are still pending.
And they wonder why people are becoming more and more fed up with the government. They break a mentally ill kids arm and charge THE VICTIM OF THE ASSAULT WITH A CRIME AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
Amazing isn't it, I had to re-read that part because I thought I misread it the 1st time
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
“The student lunged into an empty seat, and while officers were attempting to secure the young man with handcuffs by placing his arms behind his back, the student’s arm went limp as a result of an obvious injury,” Hamilton wrote. I must have missed that part when I watched the video, if the video is allowed to be shown in court the police have a big problem.
“The student lunged into an empty seat, and while officers were attempting to secure the young man with handcuffs by placing his arms behind his back, the student’s arm went limp as a result of an obvious injury,” Hamilton wrote. I must have missed that part when I watched the video, if the video is allowed to be shown in court the police have a big problem.
Yup
He didn't lunge at all, and into what empty seat, didn't see that on the video. And his arm wasn't placed behind his back it was pulled up almost to his neck.
Then if you notice when they are "leading " him outside the have him by each arm
S 195.05 Obstructing governmental administration in the second degree.
A person is guilty of obstructing governmental administration when he intentionally obstructs, impairs or perverts the administration of law or other governmental function or prevents or attempts to prevent a public servant from performing an official function, by means of intimidation, physical force or interference, or by means of any independently unlawful act, or by means of interfering, whether or not physical force is involved, with radio, telephone, television or other telecommunications systems owned or operated by the state, or a county, city, town, village, fire district or emergency medical service or by means of releasing a dangerous animal under circumstances evincing the actor`s intent that the animal obstruct governmental administration. Obstructing governmental administration is a class A misdemeanor.
Another case why you should never call the police when trying to get help for someone with mental issues, it never ends good. After watching the video over and over the cop intentionally broke his arm, there is no doubt in my mind the cop knew what he was doing and what he expected to happen. If force was needed to remove him there was enough time to talk about how they were going to do it, the kid was obviously going nowhere.
Wow, just wow. You got that from watching the video over and over. You must be physic or something. I realize that that's just your "opinion", but to be honest opinions are like assholes, and this message board has plenty of both. I only hope that you haven't bred yet, because frankly you shouldn't be allowed to. Wow.
Wow, just wow. You got that from watching the video over and over. You must be physic or something. I realize that that's just your "opinion", but to be honest opinions are like assholes, and this message board has plenty of both. I only hope that you haven't bred yet, because frankly you shouldn't be allowed to. Wow.
If you lock someone's arm like that and then pull it up you are trying to do one thing and that is breaking it, he didn't try to put it behind his back like any normal cop would do if handcuffing someone, also if you notice not one of the cops had their handcuffs out at the ready, maybe you missed that part. 2 full grown cops can't remove a non-violent 16 year old kid off a bus without snapping his arm, that's your opinion and you say I shouldn't have kids. I would hate to know what you do with your kids if they don't obey your orders.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Wow, just wow. You got that from watching the video over and over. You must be physic or something. I realize that that's just your "opinion", but to be honest opinions are like assholes, and this message board has plenty of both. I only hope that you haven't bred yet, because frankly you shouldn't be allowed to. Wow.
Cops are trained apes...The cop did what he was trained to do. He used a pain compliance technique(as trained), knowing he is personally protected from any civil or criminal lawsuits if his use of force caused injury. Did officer Ryan know he was going to break the child's arm when he stepped on the bus? No. Did he know it was possible to break the child's arm with the pain compliance technique he was using? Yes. Was the use of force and technique he used necessary in that situation? A million bucks says no.
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