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Please, cite your scientist that says a fertilized human egg is something other than a individual human life.
It is human life- a human organism- not a human being |
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See there ya go again Cicero. Just when I think you are making progress... you have to jump in with one
of your "comments".
Your "I N D I V I D U A L", (meaning one of a kind) is not necessarily so. Cell division at this zygote stage is where
twins are formed... meaning that YOUR INDIVIDUAL, is really Two or More individuals.
Kinda kills your whole theory huh!
individual of the 'incubator' .....abortion has nothing to do with twins or not........ those zygotes have their own DNA/RNA that is different from the 'incubator'.....as for the 'being' part, I guess you want the government to let you know when 'you are'....... so should the government allow a down syndrome human to be a being? can they vote? can they go to war? can they drive? maybe they were zygotes that should have been expunged..... |
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See there ya go again Cicero. Just when I think you are making progress... you have to jump in with one
of your "comments".
Your "I N D I V I D U A L", (meaning one of a kind) is not necessarily so. Cell division at this zygote stage is where
twins are formed... meaning that YOUR INDIVIDUAL, is really Two or More individuals.
Kinda kills your whole theory huh!
Ok, multiple unique individual human lives with unique DNA from a single zygote. What did you just prove again? That a single zygote can divide into multiple individual human lives. Amazing how life adapts and changes, isn't it? BTW...You argument that a zygote is a human life like any other human cell FAILED too. A skin cell or any other human cell is not scientifically an organism. A zygote is a living organism. |
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It is human life- a human organism-
not a human being
Read definition of human being. I've already covered this. If you find a Robins egg on your lawn, the egg is of the American Robin genus(Turdus migratorius). Same as a fertilized human egg, it is of the Homo sapiens genus(or human being). The "human being" argument doesn't fit the discussion. You may want to go to the legal definition of personhood as decided by appointed Supreme Court Justices to square your beliefs on when human life begins. Science isn't going to help you. |
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Human Life? Yes a skin cell is "human' we both agree, and it is alive we agree again.
Every cell in our body is HUMAN LIFE.
A skin cell is NOT a Human Being. Neither is a Human Zygote.
A skin cell is not a living organism....A zygote is. |
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Ok, multiple unique individual human lives with unique DNA from a single zygote. What did you just prove again? That a single zygote can divide into multiple individual human lives. Amazing how life adapts and changes, isn't it?
BTW...You argument that a zygote is a human life like any other human cell FAILED too. A skin cell or any other human cell is not scientifically an organism. A zygote is a living organism.
More for Cissy to consider...
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In biology, an organism is any contiguous living system, such as
a vertebrate, insect, plant or bacterium. All known types of organism are
capable of some degree of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and
development and self-regulation (homeostasis).
An organism may be either unicellular (a single cell) or, as in the case of
humans, comprise many trillions of cells grouped into specialized tissues
and organs. The term multicellular (many cells) describes any organism
made up of more than one cell.
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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
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More for Cissy to consider...
I'm not sure what you are asking me to consider? That a human is multi cell organism? The specialized cells like tissue or organs are not organisms. The human is the organism, the multiple cells make up the organism. Unlike a zygote, the tissue and organ cells share the same DNA of the human organism. The zygote is not a cell that makes up the multi cell organism that is the mother. The zygote is a separate organism. |
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Likely the same as a pregnant woman that has a miscarriage at home very early in the pregnancy. The doctor has no physical proof of the death, but enough proof there is no life.
I see you skipped over my post that shows your understanding is mistaken???
My understanding of death based on medical science is cardiac arrest, or when the heart stops beating.
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I see you skipped over my post that shows your understanding is mistaken???
No, it's not mistaken. Human life still exists. A brain dead person isn't pronounced dead until their heart stops beating. When somebody's heart stops beating, they don't say a person is heart dead. If a heart can be resuscitated into beginning again, the person is alive again. Your reference defines the brain as dead, not the entire human. You can have a kidney and other organs removed and not be dead. The human organism is kept alive. Whether by a heart and lung machine or dialysis. |
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No, it's not mistaken. Human life still exists. A brain dead person isn't pronounced dead until their heart stops beating. When somebody's heart stops beating, they don't say a person is heart dead. If a heart can be resuscitated into beginning again, the person is alive again.
Your reference defines the brain as dead, not the entire human. You can have a kidney and other organs removed and not be dead. The human organism is kept alive. Whether by a heart and lung machine or dialysis.
So you dispute the medical position based solely on your own opinion.
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...the medical community has determined that an individual may be declared dead if brain death has occurred—that is, if the whole brain has ceased to function, or has entered what is sometimes called a persistent vegetative state. An individual whose brain stem (lower brain) has died is not able to maintain the vegetative functions of life, including respiration, circulation, and swallowing. According to the Uniform Determination of Death Act (§ 1, U.L.A. [1980]), from which most states have developed their brain death statutes, "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory function, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead."
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So you dispute the medical position based solely on your own opinion.
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Well, as I relates to out topic, is it you position that an embryo isn't a living human organism until after week 10 when the brain begins to function? And if that is the case, then at week 10, both the heart and brain are functioning, if it is terminated at that point, is it a human death.(I don't expect you to respond directly) |
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Well, as I relates to out topic, is it you position that an embryo isn't a living human organism until after week 10 when the brain begins to function? And if that is the case, then at week 10, both the heart and brain are functioning, if it is terminated at that point, is it a human death.(I don't expect you to respond directly)
My direct response is that you want me to answer questions as a way for you to avoid dealing with the issue I put in front of you. This is your typical Sissy game...and then you whine that I don't answer your questions or take a position or anything.... You just take everything and spin it again to avoid answering for any challenge to your comments. It's all an endless game to you. So yah, Sissy, not going to answer your question and play your stupid game! |
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My direct response is that you want me to answer questions as a way for you to avoid
dealing with the issue I put in front of you. This is your typical Sissy game...and then you
whine that I don't answer your questions or take a position or anything.... You just take
everything and spin it again to avoid answering for any challenge to your comments.
It's all an endless game to you. So yah, Sissy, not going to answer your question and
play your stupid game!
Joey, I'm conceding your point. Whether it's the stoppage of heart or brain function, how does it relate to the fetus? I asked box if cardiac arrest as cause of death for a person applied to a developing human. Now, since you brought brain death being a cause of death into the debate, I asked if you believe that an embryo prior to the brain development is a person. If you do not, do you concede that at the 10 week point in development, when the heart and brain are functioning, would it be a death of a person if one or the other stopped functioning? |
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