Quoted from CICERO

I'm using the definition of human being, not human life.  I admit I was wrong, I thought human being meant the conscious state of a human.  When it means is a member of the Homo sapiens.  ?

Quoted from CICERO

Either way, what does science say about human life again?
  Scientifically, does it begin at birth?

Quoted from Box A Rox

How Cicero runs in circles chasing his own tail till he forgot what it was he was asking in the first place:



Back to what I believe is Cicero's opening salvo on this topic:



He's so confused!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

Is a zygote an "individual?
Is a zygote a "PERSON? "

Quoted from CICERO

Not confused.  Just realized that your argument of Human Being was flawed.  Whether you want to call it human life or human being, I'll argue they are one in the same when discussing a fertilized human egg.  You tried to separate the two and failed on a grand scale.  Like I said...Use "personhood", it fits your argument better, since you are merely looking for legal justification as to why human life or human beings can be killed.  It has nothing to do with science.

Quoted from Box A Rox

"Personhood"??? Do you think a zygote is a person???  

Quoted from CICERO

That's a legal argument.  It's a human life, a human being.  Whether it's a person???  That's why you vote.

Quoted from senders

in war abortion is 'legal' with or without choice

Quoted from CICERO

In war, slavery is legal.  They redefine it, and now it's called conscription and "service".  In government, theft is legal, it's called taxation.  The state doesn't care about human beings, only the legal "person" matters.  

Quoted from CICERO

That's fine.  Does it change the question?  Is a zygote not a human being?  After all, even dead Neaderthals are identified as the Homo genus species.  

You should stop using human being for your argument.  It doesn't work.  Use "personhood", that is the political definition of what constitutes when a life can be destroyed intentionally without it being homicide.  You should never argue in favor of abortion by trying to cite science.  It's a losing argument.  Stick to political and legal language.

Quoted from Box A Rox

My guess... Cicero majored in Drama... and he got an A

Quoted from CICERO

Bad guess....got a D.

Quoted from Box A Rox

"Personhood"??? Do you think a zygote is a person???  

Quoted from CICERO

Alright...Maybe we can find common ground...In the legal definition of personhood, when does medical science pronounce a person dead?  My understanding of death based on medical science is cardiac arrest, or when the heart stops beating.  Seeing that a fetus develops a heartbeat by the 4th week of development, is it fair to say that when the human heart of a fetus stops beating, that it is clinically the death of a person?