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Does $10.10 an hour support a family of 3?  That's $20k a year.


Is minimum wage ($21k/yr) typical job of person who is the sole provider for a family of 3,
or is it more representative of the  part time worker, summer help, entry level position or secondary household source of income?


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Is minimum wage ($21k/yr) typical job of person who is the sole provider for a family of 3,
or is it more representative of the  part time worker, summer help, entry level position or secondary household source of income?


I can't answer that.  Box posted the comparison showing that minimum wage supported a family of 3 in 1968.  I was wondering if the new suggested minimum wage will now support a family of 3 in 2014.  


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Does $10.10 an hour support a family of 3?  That's $20k a year.


I'm glad to see that you support the minimum wage push for a family of 3 Cicero!!!
Welcome aboard!


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I can't answer that.  Box posted the comparison showing that minimum wage supported a family of 3 in 1968.  I was wondering if the new suggested minimum wage will now support a family of 3 in 2014.  


What was the cost of living in 1968 versus cost of living in 2014?  
What was inflation rate between 1968 and today?
What was comparable tax rate in 1968 for family of 3 versus today?


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What was the dollar worth in 1968 compared to what it's value has been reduced to today by the easing policy.
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I'm glad to see that you support the minimum wage push for a family of 3 Cicero!!!
Welcome aboard!


Glad to see you only support it for families of 3.


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What was the dollar worth in 1968 compared to what it's value has been reduced to today by the easing policy.


I believe $1 in 1968 is approx. equal to $6.66 today.


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think this is interesting article:
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The Case Against $10 Minimum Wage
BY David Meyers  |  05/01/14 - 12:04 PM EDT
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- My discussion about the minimum wage is not intended to be a political one, although the issue is before Congress as yesterday Senate Republicans blocked an effort by Democrats to advance a bill to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.

Rather, this is a look at the relationship between the minimum wage and the cost of living. The most important fact is that raising minimum wage increases the cost of living. That is not a redistribution of wealth. If worker A makes 20% more working a minimum-wage job, he will end up spending 20% more for the same things he pays for now.

Since 1990, the accumulative increase in inflation equals 90%. During the same time period, the minimum wage has increased 90%.That is not a coincidence. It's a noble thought to raise minimum wage, but doing so raises costs for job providers.

Think small for a moment. Let's say you're a small business owner. You've been running a restaurant for 10 years. If your servers, dishwashers, line cooks and hosts all get an increase of 20% in wages, what would you do with that?

Simple, you raise your prices to counteract that new cost or you lay off the number of people to make up that difference. It's not greed; it's an essential business practice. In order to survive, you have to cover your costs one way or another.

That exact scenario plays out everywhere in life. Costs of living will increase everywhere. Do you think McDonald's would maintain a dollar menu if it had to pay all workers $10 an hour? No, it would be cost prohibitive.

Proponents of raising the minimum wage have pointed out repeatedly that in 1968 the minimum wage went much further than it does now. That is true.

But in 1968 the unemployment rate was about 4%. Most people were working and had the opportunity to move upward and overall wages were up as well.

In addition, the tax rate for the very wealthy was much higher. They didn't have the spending power they do now. That, in itself, pushed prices lower. If you want to argue that higher taxes for the wealthy will increase spending power for the lower class, that's an entirely different argument.

In the long run, the only thing accomplished by raising minimum wage significantly is inflation. As shown from 1990 to the present, it's an exact correlation. If we really want to focus on 1968's numbers, we should be focused on the unemployment of the time and work to attain 4% unemployment.

With the U.S. economy struggling to gain a footing and the jobless rate hovering around 6.5%, wouldn't it be more prudent to avoid legislation that might increase unemployment?

We don't want our restaurant owner to lay off people; we want more people in his restaurant because they have jobs.

Nobody wants to see people in poverty. The problem with increasing minimum wage is that it doesn't help people climb out of poverty. Only jobs and opportunity to attain better jobs helps people do so.

This article represents the opinion of a contributor and not necessarily that of TheStreet or its editorial staff.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12690203/1/the-case-against-10-minimum-wage.html


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minimum wage increase DOES NOT fix the valuation problems of interwoven global trade/economy that is manipulated by
world bank and a few with controls on the strings.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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minimum wage increase DOES NOT fix the valuation problems of interwoven global trade/economy that is manipulated by
world bank and a few with controls on the strings.


The fragmentation of conceptual drift rehearses the de-eroticization of post-capitalist hegemony.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The fragmentation of conceptual drift rehearses the de-eroticization of post-capitalist hegemony.


you are very short sighted....you really don't want to fight the 'demon' , you'd rather offer him another piece of clothing...

I'd rather dress it in the 'emperor's clothes'.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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you are very short sighted....you really don't want to fight the 'demon' , you'd rather offer him another piece of clothing...

I'd rather dress it in the 'emperor's clothes'.......


The delegitimization of the preprofessional (re)embodies the project of the gendered body.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The founder and CEO of Subway says a minimum wage increase wouldn’t be such a
bad thing for his stores and workers and believes it should be changed so that wages rise
automatically with inflation.

“I’m not concerned,” CEO Fred DeLuca said on Wednesday when CNBC asked him about
minimum wage hikes. “Over the years, I’ve seen so many of these wage increases. I think
it’s normal. It won’t have a negative impact hopefully, and that’s what I tell my workers.”


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Yup, the CEO should definitely make a cost of living adjustment for minimum wage entry jobs every year.  That is fully in his power.  Good job Subway!


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