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Cissy, you really need to read the information available before you keep making a fool of yourself.
Randy Paul isn't suggesting we "leave it up to regional nations... he's suggesting they join us
in a war against ISIS.  You know... we supply them with guns, tanks, planes, weapons, Drones, etc...
just like we've done a hundred times before.  He Quacks Like A Libertarian, but Acts Like A Republican.


I read the info.  He suggested that the 2nd largest army in NATO(Turkey) get involved in the regional issues, along with Syria and Iran. With possible US air support and technological support.  My understanding is, as a NATO member, Turkey already gets a lot of US made weapons and technology.  

In your own quote, Paul said America CAN have a role.  I interpret that as the US possibly assisting the regional nations.  Not them joining the US.

But at the end of the day, he thinks Congress should make the call.

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“So I also think that Turks really should be enjoined in this. And I do think that there
can be a role for America. But I would rather see the president come to a joint session


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Proper use of force, for defense only, does not require approval.

Only offensive attacks require a vote by the lords of war.
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But at the end of the day, he thinks Congress should make the call.


Once again, you are reading your agenda into Paul's words.
All Paul would ask congress for is the $$$ to fund the war.  It's a yes or no for funding.  Even if the
funding is limited in scope, once Paul brings the US to war, funding will always be extended.

It Quacks like a duck... but it's a Hawk!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Once again, you are reading your agenda into Paul's words.
All Paul would ask congress for is the $$$ to fund the war.  It's a yes or no for funding.  Even if the
funding is limited in scope, once Paul brings the US to war, funding will always be extended.

It Quacks like a duck... but it's a Hawk!


Box, you are adding words to your own quote that are not there.  Not only that, Paul is clearly quoted saying he would like to see Obama go to congress for PERMISSION, not FUNDING.  I don't know where you are seeing the word funding.

Here's your quote.  Help me find the word funding.
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But I would rather see the president come to a joint session of Congress, [ask] for permission, and if he gets it, I still would like to see the ground



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The democrat tactic is to get Paul to look like a war hawk, because Hilary is a war mongering psycho.  And there are plenty of video footage showing that fact.  So now they want paint paul as a war hawk.(even if they make it up)

Good luck with the strategy.


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Box is in his own world, and as usual sees what he wants to see. Its kinda sad in a way, reminds me of the video he posted where supposedly he ran away from a interview, only to have the same video prove what he originally said that he was doing another interview. Even with video evidence box couldn't believe it LMAO.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The democrat tactic is to get Paul to look like a war hawk, because Hilary is a war mongering psycho.  And there are plenty of video footage showing that fact.  So now they want paint paul as a war hawk.(even if they make it up)

Good luck with the strategy.


Yup even Chris Matthews went on to talk about that very thing


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I read the info.  He suggested that the 2nd largest army in NATO(Turkey) get involved in the regional issues, along with Syria and Iran. With possible US air support and technological support.  My understanding is, as a NATO member, Turkey already gets a lot of US made weapons and technology.  


LMAO @ Turkey!
ISIS operated from TURKEY for at least 3 years, moving freely across their borders.  Wounded ISIS
troops were treated at Turkish Hospitals.  
Turkey just now is opposing ISIS but just barely.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Box, you are adding words to your own quote that are not there.  Not only that, Paul is clearly quoted saying he would like to see Obama go to congress for PERMISSION, not FUNDING.  I don't know where you are seeing the word funding.
Here's your quote.  Help me find the word funding.
/quote]

[quote]"If I were president, I would call a joint session of Congress.  I would lay
out the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to our national security and seek
congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily."


Rand is not asking for a 'declaration of war'.  He would "SEEK CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION
TO DESTROY ISIS MILITARILY".
Authorization... Funding... Permission to spend Cicero's hard earned Tax Dollars...
Wars cost money and Paul is ready to spend spend spend!


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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LMAO @ Turkey!
ISIS operated from TURKEY for at least 3 years, moving freely across their borders.  Wounded ISIS
troops were treated at Turkish Hospitals.  
Turkey just now is opposing ISIS but just barely.


So you are saying a NATO member is basing terrorist attacks out of their country?  sh*t!  That's a bigger problem for Obama than the attacks themselves.  What an absolute failure Obama is!  Is Obama still selling weapons to Turkey knowing they are helping facilitate their attacks and treat their wounded?  


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Rand is not asking for a 'declaration of war'.  He would "SEEK CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION
TO DESTROY ISIS MILITARILY".
Authorization... Funding... Permission to spend Cicero's hard earned Tax Dollars...
Wars cost money and Paul is ready to spend spend spend!


No box, authorization is the people's representatives support the mission.  You keep on calling it funding, as if the mission is a foregone conclusion.


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So you are saying a NATO member is basing terrorist attacks out of their country?  


NO CISSY.  Just one more Cicero Straw Man.

Try again!  


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No box, authorization is the people's representatives support the mission.  You keep on calling it funding, as if the mission is a foregone conclusion.

RAND PAUL GOES TO WAR!
OK. What was the Gulf Of Tonkin Amendment?
Permission to wage war (at the presidents discretion) but Not A Declaration of War!
Did Paul say he would ask for a Declaration of War????  NOPE!
Gulf of Tonkin: LBJ
"Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress
assembled, That the Congress approves and supports the determination of the President, as Commander
in Chief, to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States
and to prevent further aggression.
Iraq War Resolution: GWB
   Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress: Authorization for Use of Military
Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

If Randy Paul wanted a Declaration of War, he would have said so.
If he wanted to use Military force with out a declaration of war... He would have said so...
and he did!




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RAND PAUL GOES TO WAR!
OK. What was the Gulf Of Tonkin Amendment?
Permission to wage war (at the presidents discretion) but Not A Declaration of War!
Did Paul say he would ask for a Declaration of War????  NOPE!
Gulf of Tonkin: LBJ
"Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress
assembled, That the Congress approves and supports the determination of the President, as Commander
in Chief, to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States
and to prevent further aggression.
Iraq War Resolution: GWB
   Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress: Authorization for Use of Military
Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

If Randy Paul wanted a Declaration of War, he would have said so.
If he wanted to use Military force with out a declaration of war... He would have said so...
and he did!


If he wants to use military force, he would require Congress to approve it.  He and his advisors would be involved in execution of the military action after the vote, as long as congress consent to the use of it.  He wouldn't lob 100 cruise missiles into Libya, THEN AFTER the operation is launched go tell Congress it was done in National Defense.  

He was pretty clear, congress would have to approve any military use(unless imminent).


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If he wants to use military force, he would require Congress to approve it.  He and his advisors would be involved in execution of the military action after the vote, as long as congress consent to the use of it.  He wouldn't lob 100 cruise missiles into Libya, THEN AFTER the operation is launched go tell Congress it was done in National Defense.  

He was pretty clear, congress would have to approve any military use(unless imminent).


Paul didn't say he would seek congressional approval before any military use... He just said in the case
of ISIS, he would.  What he might do in any other military operation is yet to be determined.

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"If I were president, I would call a joint session of Congress.  I would lay
out the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to our national security and seek
congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily."


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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