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http://www.dailygazette.com/ph.....ool-dismissal/27790/

The police were stationed outside Mont Pleasant MS yesterday to prevent off campus incedences.
I have seen several fights myself at Hess on Brandywine shortly after dismissal.

This is right next to the elementary school, those little kids are being forced to walk ytgrough this mess and in this danger. This is the number one reason why I send my kids to A Catholic school--the schools can not assure their physical or emotional safety.
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I heard about a couple incidents down that way, especially with kids blocking the roads and such. Others are moving out of the city just to get their kids away from Schenectady public schools. There will always be fights but this area is getting out of line.


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http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2013/oct/11/schenectady-middle-school-issues-grow_wp/?free

The whole second shift of the police, principal being hit, multiple incidents, swarming the cops, teachers frightened to speak out...

Unbelievable!
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Oh my God!

Not just the kids but the parents too. Wow, I'm kinda speechless. If I had kids there, they'd be yanked out in less than a heart beat!
Those poor teachers.  
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that's what happens when Schenectady becomes the 'Ellis Island' of the entire state.......good job leaders....



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The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"




the services offered by Schenectady are fish...not fishing poles


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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“It’s a generational thing,” he said. “Would I say this is recent? No.”




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“It’s a small geographic area,” he said. “I don’t know if it has anything to do with the closing of Oneida.”


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I use the casual phrase casually; for I do not concern myself with the gentleman but with the citizen. Nevertheless, there is this historic half-truth in the case for aristocracy; that it is sometimes a little easier for the aristocrat, at his best, to have this last touch of culture which is a superiority to culture. Nevertheless, the truth of which I speak has nothing to do with any special culture of any special class. It has belonged to any number of peasants, especially when they were poets; it is this which gives a sort of natural distinction to Robert Burns and the peasant poets of Scotland. The power which produces it more effectively than any blood or breed is religion; for religion may be defined as that which puts the first things first. Robert Burns was justifiably impatient with the religion he inherited from Scottish Calvinism; but he owed something to his inheritance. His instinctive consideration of men as men came from an ancestry which still cared more for religion than education. The moment men begin to care more for education than for religion they begin to care more for ambition than for education. It is no longer a world in which the souls of all are equal before heaven, but a world in which the mind of each is bent on achieving unequal advantage over the other. There begins to be a mere vanity in being educated whether it be self-educated or merely state-educated. Education ought to be a searchlight given to a man to explore everything, but very specially the things most distant from himself. Education tends to be a spotlight; which is centered entirely on himself. Some improvement may be made by turning equally vivid and perhaps vulgar spotlights upon a large number of other people as well. But the only final cure is to turn off the limelight and let him realize the stars.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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respect for the human is what is lacking.....instead the state gets all the respect and the human suffers Stockholm syndrome


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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sOCIETY AND GOVERNMENT HAS CAUSED THIS.......parents are passive and in denial.....and teachers....well I have opinions about that...

when yousee the teachers dress and act like the kids....what do you expect???.....when you see fighting as acceptable....what do you expect???

when you see the law just slaps on the wrist.....what do you expect???????....

The county has gone crazy over things that can be resolved....but no talk these days...no conversation.....no communication...

and NOT MY KID
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The rigidness of school curriculum and focus on behavior modification and compliance has a breaking point.  The state turned schools into supermax prisons, and they are shocked when the inmates respond like any other prisoner held against their will.  In order to get into a school to see you kid, you have to show 2 forms of ID and take an HIV test for crissakes.

Their movements within the school are structured, movement only allowed between the sound of bells, they need permission to use the bathroom, permission to talk, told when they can talk, told when they can eat, told how much time they have to eat, told when they can exercise, told how long they have to exercise, told what they can wear and what they can't wear, told they can't worship their religious belief during school hours.

Then when the system breaks down, and the inmates become non compliant, the system brings in cops to show more force.  Lets remember, these are middle schoolers - 11,12, and 13.  And they have these anti bullying programs, but they seem to exempt themselves.  They are doing the most damage to the children.  They are the biggest bullies.


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This is what has been going on with middle-school age children in Albany for years, we are just catching up. The schools don't raise the kids; it is the same system that graduated thousands of civilized adults. I attended Schenectady public schools myself. It is not the school's fault. I don't blame people who don't want their kids exposed to that sort of violence and disruption, not at all. The kids reach a certain age and realize there is nothing anyone can do about them, they are in charge. This is what that demented grandmother was trying to prevent. The logical thing to do would be to put all the violent kids in one place, where they could be given extra supervision and extra learning support, until they get old enough and quit coming to school. Then the regular schools could concentrate on the other kids, they could learn what they need to learn in a safe, orderly environment, and have a real chance in life. Oh, no. That has been proposed, but rejected, don't even think it, if you think persistent discipline problems don't belong in the same classroom with the other kids, you are a racist, class-predjudiced, elitest, I don't know what else. Never mind that you see plenty of black children from the Hamilton Hill/MP areas catching buses, wearing Catholic school uniforms. Never mind that you see parents from these same areas clamoring for charter schools. All charter schools offer that our public schools don't is selectivity and exclusion.
Albany City Schools came up with a plan to remove the most consistently violent and disruptive kids from the regular high school and educate them in a location where they could be supervised and not hurt anyone else, and probably learn something themselves. Remember, these are HIGH SCHOOL AGE kids, nobody was attempting to 'write off' any little ones. The NAACP fought the plan. They would rather have the other kids dropping out in fear for their safety, than stigmatize the thugs. Go figure.
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Spring said the incidents requiring a police presence in the hour after school lets out have involved some students from the middle school,
students from other schools in the district, students from outside the district and adults.


They should have the paddy wagon over there, EVERY student that is involved in violence AND the friggin stupid parents should be locked up.

I pick up my grandson two days a week at an elementary school, parents outside talking about trying to sell their homes before their kids go to middle
school or sending them to private schools.

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And the Democrats just had to run three hacks for the school board. That Mr. Hodgkins had some ideas about early learning that could possibly have helped, but noooo. Better keep politics involved.
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They should have the paddy wagon over there, EVERY student that is involved in violence AND the friggin stupid parents should be locked up.


Why are the kids behaving this way?  How many of these middle schoolers are prescribed drugs for A-D-D, ADHD, or other so-called behavioral problems?  That is something we will never know.  

The schools hop these kids up on stimulants to get the to focus on school work that is an absolute bore, and then blame the parents for their behavior.  STOP GIVING CHILDREN STIMULANTS!  What the fu(k is wrong with this country?

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The new report also found an uptick in the use of some drugs in children, with stimulants for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD, leading the pack.

From 2002 to 2010, the use of ADHD drugs grew by 46 percent -- or some 800,000 prescriptions a year. The top drug dispensed to adolescents was the stimulant methylphenidate, also known as Ritalin, with more than four million prescriptions filled in 2010.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE85H09720120618?irpc=932


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A.D.H.D. Study Suggests Links Between Medication and Fewer Crimes
By PAM BELLUCK
Published: November 21, 2012


A large study suggests that people with serious attention deficit hyperactivity disorder are less likely to commit crimes when taking medication.
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The study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, examined records of 25,000 people in Sweden to see if those with A.D.H.D. had fewer criminal convictions when taking medication than when they were not.

Of 8,000 people whose medication use fluctuated over a three-year period, men were 32 percent less likely and women were 41 percent less likely to have criminal convictions while on medication. Patients were primarily young adults, many with a history of hospitalization. Crimes included assault, drug offenses and homicide as well as less serious crimes. Medication varied, but many took stimulants like Ritalin.

“The study adds a lot,” said Dr. Gabrielle Carlson, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Stony Brook University medical school, who was not involved in the study. “Cutting the crime rate, that’s not trivial. Maybe it will get some help for people in jail. It gives people who were on the fence maybe a little more confidence in this treatment.”

Studies suggest that people with A.D.H.D. are more likely to commit crimes. And while people, especially boys, are often prescribed medication as children, they often resist taking it as teenagers. Studies have not shown that medication has long-term effects on symptoms.

Dr. Paul Lichtenstein, a study author and a professor at Karolinska Institute, cautioned against concluding that everyone with A.D.H.D. should be continuously medicated.

“There are pros and cons to medication,” he said. But “in young adults, the age where criminality is most common, you should consider medication because it is more harmful for these people to be involved in criminal activities. Also for prisoners and people who have left prison.”

Researchers said that correlations between medication and decreased crime held regardless of the type of medication or crime and the presence of other disorders. They tried to determine if patients stopped treatment because of criminal convictions, but found that treatment itself appeared linked to fewer crimes.

Among psychiatric experts, when, and sometimes whether, to prescribe A.D.H.D. medication is still debated. Drugs do not work for everyone, and side effects can include jittery feelings and suppressed appetite and growth.

William Pelham, director of the Center for Children and Families at Florida International University, said nondrug therapies like behavioral modification worked as well as medication in the short run. He said that the study did not prove that medication caused less criminality, and because most subjects were seriously ill adults, the results were irrelevant for most American children.

Jason Fletcher, an associate professor at the Yale School of Public Health, said that despite some weaknesses, the study provided a “very suggestive piece of evidence” supporting medication. “Because crime is so expensive, if you can reduce it, even by half of what they’re saying, you might still say this is really effective medication.”

He did wonder if medication is reducing crime or “making better criminals,” who avoid arrest. Dr. Lichtenstein deemed that unlikely. “I don’t think you would commit the crime,” he said, “and then just not get caught.”


timothy leary....sad sad sad day....the future is coming


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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