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mikechristine1
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So says DV, says downtown is an investment of taxpayer dollars.

Yet he REFUSES to explain HOW it is paying off.



Channel 6 just reported the city has had 30 arson fires just since may, just 16 have been solved.


The massive theft, the stealing from the poor in the city, to "invest" in downtown has been causing a MASSIVE reduction in the city's tax base, reduction in property values, falling home sales, falling home sale prives, elimination of ESSENTIAL services, non-stop increases in taxes, creation of new fees, HELL do you realize that the trash fee started at $130 and the DEM mayor proposal is this year includes an almost 10% increase in this year alone, increases almost every year.

My god, DV's DEM buddy leaders in the city have stolen from the homeowners via MASSIVE INCREASES in the trash fee by a WHOPPING 75% in just 8 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

That is the return on the "investment" in downtown, as DV explains it.


Moments ago, Channel 6 reported the city says there is a worsening arson problem in the city, and since may alone there have been 30 arsons (only 16 solved).   Wouldn't be surprised if homeowners insurance rates on city homeowners increases because of that higher risk!


Investment in downtown paying off for the city?    NOT!

And DV won't even respond to my posts because he knows we are right and he is way too embarrassed to admit that we are right, that we state the TRUTHS, we present the facts AND have the EVIDENCE to support our statements.   He makes statements but NEVER offers a shred of EVIDENCE, no links to official documentation.





Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Fools throw around terms like "investment", because they heard it somewhere and think if they use it they will sound smart. Rarely do they stop to consider the source, as they are low on critical thinking skills.
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how about economic growth...
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"Economic growth" is a better term, but the problem is, these projects are imitation economic growth, not the real thing. That Lowe's, over the bridge, that is the real thing, that new Michaels', outside Amsterdam, that is the real thing. People should be asking the question, with all the "planning" and "developing" and "investing" going on downtown, how is it that when there is a real business, actively looking to cite another store, we keep getting skipped over? You can see it on a map. Latham, Colonie, Niskayuna....Glenville or Amsterdam! Did Glenville or Perth PAY these businesses to locate there? Do they have multiple layers of economic "developers"?
You can make the argument that the "big box" businesses don't want to come into an urban setting, but Erie Boulevard id wide open spaces, plenty of room for those businesses, in fact, we had them before. Why a movie studio? What good does that do? Now that's a business that could have fitted in todowntown proper, nicely. Instead, it is going on the outskirts, taking up space suitable for industrial redevelopment. That kind of land is at a premium in the city. BS actually chased away a guy who was interested in opening a tire recycling business. He thought he was going to build a new Schenectady,one much more reflective of his glory.
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I meant "site", not "cite" in that post.
If I were a "planner" for Schenectady's "economic development", I might take a hard look at what is different between our area and the areas that keep getting new businesses. Heck, I might even call them and ASK them. That is, if I didn't already know and really wanted to find out.
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Appeal to Poverty / Appeal to Money - Fallacy of Appealing to Money or Wealth
Appeals to Emotion and Desire

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Fallacy Name:
Appeal to Poverty, Appeal to Money

Alternative Names:
argumentum ad lazarum, argumentum ad crumenam

Category:
Appeals to Emotion and Desire



Explanation of the Appeal to Poverty / Appeal to Money

These two fallacies are opposites, but they are so closely related that they are presented together. The Latin term for Appeal to Poverty is argumentum ad lazarum and the Latin term for Appeal to Money is argumentum ad crumenam.

These two fallacies take the following forms:

1. X is rich or expensive, therefore X is correct or better.
2. X is poor or cheap, therefore X is correct or better.
In both cases, an appeal is being made to accept or reject a conclusion based upon literal or metaphorical wealth - either the wealth possessed by someone or the cost of something. This is a fallacy when that wealth (or lack thereof) is irrelevant to the proposition being defended (and it's rare that wealth or cost is relevant).



Appeal to Poverty

The fallacy of an appeal to poverty occurs whenever someone attempts to base a conclusion on how poor a person or thing is. Some easy examples of this include:

3. Priests and nuns are more likely to possess insight into the meaning of life because they have given up the distractions of wealth.

4. Our church is a non-profit organization, and no one is getting rich from it. Isn't that what God wants? Doesn't that show that we are doing the Lord's work?
In both of these cases, the argument is only relying upon the apparent poverty of those involved and tries to conclude that this poverty someone increases the likelihood that those people are correct or moral. In neither case is such poverty relevant to the question.

This fallacy is not restricted to people:

5. The accident had to have been the fault of the driver of the Corvette, because the other driver's car is such a piece of junk it can barely reach a speed of 70 km/h.
The argument here is that the poor quality of a particular car must exhonerate the driver of any wrong doing. What is ignored is the fact that high speeds are not the only causes of accidents.

A common form of this argument appears in some Christian apologetics:

6. If the authors of the gospels were going to invent a religion, then surely they would have not had the people behaving in such a negative manner (Thomas doubting, Peter denying, Judas betraying...and even Jesus lost his temper). Why should anyone want to mix with such a bunch of weak-willed wallies, let alone follow their fictitious religion. If on the other hand, they were merely relating what actually happened, then it makes sense. Real people DO behave like that. Made-up saints don't.
Aside from the fact that this argument also begs the question as to whether or not any real saints do exist (and, hence, that we can claim to know how they would act), it also appears to be an appeal to poverty. It's not an appeal to literal, financial poverty, though. Instead, it argues that the "poor" behavior of characters in a story somehow makes it more likely that those actions really did happen and, therefore, that the characters were real people.



Appeal to Money

The Appeal to Money fallacy goes in the opposite direction, arguing that when someone is rich or when an item is expensive, then this somehow impacts the value or truth of the proposition in question. The most common form of this is:

6. It costs more, it must be better.
There are quite a few people out there who are under the mistaken impression that the cost of an item, and that alone, is indicative of its value and usefulness. Entire marketing campaigns are designed around the goal of getting potential customers to believe that the product is expensive and therefore worth having.

Somewhat less often we find this fallacy being applied to people as well:

7. Bill Gates favors this new technology bill. He has gotten wealthy in the software industry, and he couldn't have done that if he didn't know what he is doing. Therefore, this proposed bill must be a good idea.
Here, the proposition that this proposed law dealing with technology is a good idea is defended on the grounds that a person who got rich from technology supports it. The assumption is that this success and wealth is somehow relevant to the question when it really isn't.

The above example can also be labeled as an appeal to authority and would count as an appeal to an unqualified authority because it is not established that Bill Gates is authority on the area of technology in question, much less its wider social implications. It is, however, being included here because one reason why he is being used as an authority is his great wealth.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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