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Million Vet March Organizers Condemn Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, and the Tea Party

The tea party, Sarah Palin, and Ted Cruz tried to hijack the Million Vet March for political and personal gain, and event organizers condemned them for politicizing the march.
Read more at http://www.politicususa.com


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I admit they use it but they don't own it, I have a Gadsden flag tattoo, it doesn't mean I'm a Tea Party member or a member of the Navy. To me it has its own meaning and symbolism.


someone we know has a Gadsen flag tattoo also and has a flag and bumper sticker of the same..........and he ain't no member of the tea party either!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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someone we know has a Gadsen flag tattoo also and has a flag and bumper sticker of the same..........and he ain't no member of the tea party either!


Yup and to him it probably has its own meaning, I know mine does.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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the military is used to being used.....

for oil
for land
for trade
etc etc etc

this doesn't ring any less true




...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Duhhhh  Another Homer Simpson comment.  

Do you disagree with my post:

There are some misguided Americans who consistently vote against their own interests. ???


because no one knows what is in my best interest....the pendulum ALWAYS swings

'own interests' is much different than the 'systems interests'.....the pendulum swings for the STATUS QUO


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I'm pretty sure the house republicans passed bills to fund every last bit of the federal government except for Obamacare, which they want a 1 year delay for the individual mandate.  Obama and Reid said no, and he gave the order to close and blockade open air war memorials.  


Ciero you often make great arguments and brilliant posts, then you repeat Republican BS talking lines and ruin it all..... The law passed, fund it like every other law in history and if you want to change it, do it through due process.
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Ciero you often make great arguments and brilliant posts, then you repeat Republican BS talking lines and ruin it all..... The law passed, fund it like every other law in history and if you want to change it, do it through due process.


Not a republican talking line, that is what happened.  You can YouTube it yourself and watch Ted Cruz offering all the continuing resolutions to fund the government programs that are now shutdown. Whether you agree with the strategy or not, it is still true that every aspect of government would be fully funded.  Democrats decided against it because they won't negotiate on one part of Obamacare.  So they held all of government hostage, because they didnt want a public debate on JUST Obamacare(because it's unpopular)

BTW...what's going on now IS the process.  Sure, the democrats are saying that this maneuvering is in some way out of the process, but that is to confuse people.  



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ObamaCare IS the law of the land.  To repeal a law, you need to pass new legislation that specificially
repeals or amends that law.
(The Republican House has done that over 40 times.  Each time the bill has failed support in the US Senate,
and so died.)

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The Process of Repealing a Law can be Difficult
If a political party controls either the House of Representatives and/or the Senate as a result
of a general election, there may be an effort to repeal laws passed by the opposition party,
particularly if those laws are deemed to be odious. Such would be the case with the March 2010
Affordable Care Act termed “Obamacare” by Republicans and Tea Party activists.

But unless those party majorities are substantial, repeal will never be achieved. As with all bills,
an act to repeal a past law must be voted out of committee before reaching the House floor. If,
for example, Republicans control the House, this would not be difficult as all House committee
chairs would be Republicans. A simple majority vote would send the measure to the Senate. But
even if the repeal bill passed in the Senate, it will still require the president’s signature.

President Obama would never sign a bill repealing his health care reforms. Rather, he would use
the presidential veto. The bill would then be sent back to Congress where the president’s veto
can be overridden by a two-thirds majority in both houses. Unless the Republicans have a substantial
majority, they would be powerless to override the veto. Such fruitless actions, in the long run,
waste time and money and vindicate the congressional appellation of “gridlock.”


Unless ObamaCare is repealed or amended, American representatives have an obligation to follow
the law.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox
ObamaCare IS the law of the land.  To repeal a law, you need to pass new legislation that specificially
repeals or amends that law.



Unless ObamaCare is repealed or amended, American representatives have an obligation to follow
the law.  


Does the the president have an obligation to follow the law of the land?  He unilaterally repealed and amended parts of the law for certain people, like corporations(which are not people, right?).

Will you accept the next president exempting catholic institution health insurance from providing birth control?  Or will you be screaming that the president isn't enforcing the law of the land?


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Obama only follows laws that support what he wants to do all other laws are ignored.
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Charlie Rangel on GOP TeaBaggers:
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Rep. Charles Rangel attempted to explain to CNN host Ashley Banfield that it was impossible to work
with House Republicans in good faith as long as they wanted to “bring down our government” the
“same way they fought as Confederates.”


“This is all about a handful of people who got elected as Republicans that want to bring down our government.
You can see it in the streets, you can see where they’re coming from. And the same way they fought as
Confederates, they want to bring down the government and reform it.”

“Whoa, whoa, whoa,” Banfield interrupted. “I’m only assuming you’re referring to the tea party members
who are pretty intransigent on their views. Are you likening them to Confederates?”

“Well, I can tell you this, if you look at the states that they control, take a look at the Dixiecrats,
see how they went over to Republican Party,” Rangel pointed out. “I’m telling you one thing, if the
Republicans want to bring the government back, if the Republicans want to make certain that this
country maintains its fiscal integrity, all they have to do is to accept the Senate [deal].”



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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House leader Boner's proposed bill is UnConstitutional!  

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http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....an-unconstitutional/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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