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Pope Francis, on his predecessors:



Leaders of the Church have often been Narcissus,
flattered and sickeningly excited by their courtiers. The court is the leprosy
of the papacy.
Pope Francis I



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He can't change the world views.  Even if he did, that means people that share the Pope's views are going to run for govt office.  Which they can't do in America, because even if they do, you can't take your religious views into office, you have to leave them at the door.  Even if a majority share the Pope's views and a minority opposes them, you can't force the Pope's religious views onto the minority.  That would be mixing church and state again.  What a conundrum.lol


Cissy had nothing to post... so he posted nothing!  



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Funny part is what box is so thrilled about has been the churches position for a very long time, but it seems he just learned this. The church has came a long way since the dark ages but I guess this is new for box


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Cissy had nothing to post... so he posted nothing!  


Very simple.  The pope is a religious figure.  So his religious philosophy cannot be implemented through the state.  That would be a theocracy.  Your rules.


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Funny part is what box is so thrilled about has been the churches position for a very long time, but it seems he just learned this. The church has came a long way since the dark ages but I guess this is new for box


I was raised a Catholic,  I've had priests at my house for dinner when I was growing up, I went to
a Catholic school, and had members of my family in the church...

If you think that the Church hasn't changed... Um... Look up how long it took the Church to
decide that the earth is NOT the center of the universe.
Consider:
In 1992, the Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642!

Yea, the church has come a long way!  


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Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks by Judge Andrew Napolitano



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What is the worst problem in the world today? Might it be war, starvation, genocide, sectarian violence, murder, slaughter of babies in the womb? Any of these would be a rational answer. When Pope Francis was asked this question recently, he replied, “Youth unemployment.”

To be sure, youth unemployment is a serious problem. In some parts of the United States, the richest country in the world, it has reached 25 percent. These are people who are no longer in school full time and are not yet 30 years of age. It is a problem for them and their families, for their communities and for the welfare states that are supporting them. Is it the worst problem in the world, though? Is it a problem for the Roman Catholic Church? Is it something the pope is competent to comment upon or to resolve?

The pope’s youth-unemployment comments recently were removed from the Vatican’s website. No sooner had that been done than the Holy Father issued his first encyclical — a formal papal teaching, as opposed to his now-famous, impromptu back-of-the-plane yet on-the-record comments.

His encyclical is about economics, and it reveals a disturbing ignorance. I say this with deference and respect. I also say this as a traditionalist Roman Catholic who laments the post-Vatican II watering down of sacred traditions, lessening of moral teaching and trivialization of liturgical practices. I also say this, though, as a firm believer that Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ on Earth and, as such, personifies the teaching authority of the church. He is morally and juridically capable of speaking ex cathedra — that is, infallibly — but only after surveying and distilling traditional Church teachings and only on matters affecting faith and morals.

Thank God, so to speak, that his teaching authority is limited to faith and morals, because in matters of economics, he is wide of the mark.


His encyclical, titled “Joy of the Gospel,” attacks free-market capitalism because it takes too long for the poor to get rich. “They are still waiting,” the pope wrote. Without capitalism, which rewards hard work and sacrifice, they will wait forever. No economic system in history has alleviated more poverty, generated more opportunity and helped more formerly poor people become rich than capitalism. The essence of capitalism goes to the core of Catholic teaching: the personal freedom of every person. Capitalism is freedom to risk, freedom to work, freedom to save, freedom to retain the fruits of one’s labors, freedom to own property and freedom to give to charity.

The problem with modern capitalism — a problem that escaped the scrutiny of His Holiness — is not too much freedom, but too little. The regulation of free markets by governments, the control of the private means of production by government bureaucrats, and the unholy alliances between governments, banks and industry have raised production costs, stifled competition, established barriers to entry into markets, raised taxes, devalued savings and priced many poor out of the labor force. The pope would do well to pray for those who have used government to steal freedom so as to satisfy their lust for power, and for those who have bowed to government so as to become rich from governmental benefits and not by the fruits of their own labors.

Traditional Catholic social teaching imposes on all of us a moral obligation to become our brothers’ keepers. But this is a personal moral obligation, enforced by conscience and church teaching and the fires of hell — not by the coercive powers of the government. Charity comes from the heart. It consists of freely giving away one’s wealth. It is impossible to be charitable with someone else’s money. That’s theft, not charity.

If you give until it hurts, freely and out of love, and seek nothing temporal in return, you have built up treasure in Heaven. However, if the government takes from you and redistributes your wealth to those whom the government has decided to benefit — rich and poor alike — what merit is there in that for you? If you give a poor person a fish to eat, in a day, he’ll be hungry. If you show him how to catch fish and teach him how to acquire the tools needed to do so, he can become self-sufficient and perhaps one day rich enough to help others. If the government takes money from you to buy the person a fish, half of the money will be wasted.

The pope seems to prefer common ownership of the means of production, which is Marxist, or private ownership and government control, which is fascist, or government ownership and government control, which is socialist. All of those failed systems lead to ashes, not wealth. Pope Francis must know this. He must also know that when Europe was in turmoil in 1931, his predecessor Pius XI wrote in one of his encyclicals: “[N]o one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist.”

The church does not teach just for today, but for the life of man on Earth. That’s why the essence of the papacy is not contemporary problem-solving, but preservation of truth and continuity of tradition. For this reason, popes do not lightly contradict their predecessors. If it was sacred then, it is sacred now.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, recently discovered serious structural problems with St. Patrick’s Cathedral that will cost $200 million to repair. He will soon have that bill paid. Where did that money come from? It came from the disposable income of rich Catholic capitalists. Who will benefit from this? The blue-collar workers whom the restoration project is employing now have jobs, and everyone — rich and poor — who attends Mass at the refurbished St. Patrick’s will do so in comfort and beauty.

What shall we do about the pope and economics? We should pray for his faith and understanding and for a return to orthodoxy. That means the Holy Mother Church under the Vicar of Christ — saving souls, not pocketbooks.



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Pope Francis should be saving souls, not pocketbooks by Judge Andrew Napolitano



The FoxSnooze attack on the Pope.  No surprise there!  


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The FoxSnooze attack on the Pope.  No surprise there!  


The article wasn't from FOX, besides Napolitano is a Catholic himself


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The article wasn't from FOX, besides Napolitano is a Catholic himself


Yes.  Napolitano is a "Catholic" mouthpiece for "FoxSnooze"!


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Yes.  Napolitano is a "Catholic" mouthpiece for "FoxSnooze"!


Nope Napolitano hasn't had a show on FOX for what 2 years now, and you missed the 1st part that this article wasn't from FOX, I doubt FOX would even mention such a thing.


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Nope Napolitano hasn't had a show on FOX for what 2 years now, and you missed the 1st part that this article wasn't from FOX, I doubt FOX would even mention such a thing.

LMAO!

Um, Henry... Bubby... Read the link below before you make even a bigger fool of yourself:

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Pope Francis and basic economics
By Judge Andrew P. NapolitanoPublished December 05, 2013FoxNews.com


FoxSnooze
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/05/pope-francis-and-basic-economics/


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I'm actually very surprised they used it, so now that they did how about talking about what he wrote instead of who picked the story up.


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I'm actually very surprised they used it, so now that they did how about talking about what he wrote instead of who picked the story up.


OK... If I must.

"His encyclical is about economics, and it reveals a disturbing ignorance."
Coming from a guy who backed the architect of the "Bush Economic Meltdown"...
A Right Wing Hack who fostered the GWB economic fiasco would seem to be
an 'expert' on showing a "DISTURBING IGNORANCE OF ECONOMICS".

Hopefully in his next "encyclical" letters Da Judge will attack the economic failures of
Mother Teresa!  


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Pope Francis, The People’s Pope

He took the name of a humble saint and then called for a church of healing. The first non-European
pope in 1,200 years is poised to transform a place that measures change by the century.

Person Of The Year 2013


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